I mean you also have HN as a reference.

This isn't upvoted enough. This is more interesting than the OP's project! Thanks for sharing!

This website pleases me greatly. 0 time from tap to fully loaded pages.

You should try making a site with Astro. Load speed is cray cray.

Previously (2021): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28892933

Nice link - still relevant IMNHO - even though it's from 2021.

Discussed at the time:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28892933

I had to read your comment three times before figuring out that you mean “drop-in”. Sometimes hyphens do matter! :)

I love it. You can use the right arrow to cycle through them.

do you have any recommendations from the list?

Ah ha, figured it must have been discussed here before!

It has updates at the bottom. Most recently 14 Sep 2025.

Yeah I’m a recent Astro convert. To be fair, any static site will have this effect. It’s just everyone is using react to make landing pages now.

I used to think bootstrap was bloated too...and then i had heard - now, i don't know if its true - that bootstrap was originally intended *ONLY* as an internal prototype building tool, and any bloat did not matter...because expected audience, usage would be totally fine for a bloated framework...When i heard, i gave boostrap more of a pass...but, then again, i stopped using it, and began using other, lighter weight frameworks...and nowadays, i so rarely touch any web stuff...and when i do its only for me so then use zero frameworks, and merely display whatever default the browser shows with zero CSS, javascript...then again, my private web page needs are so basic anyway.

The claim is "no classes for native elements". Ie you don't need classes just to create a button etc.

Yeah reminds me of early Bootstrap

Wouldn't a comparison to Bulma be more apt?

Iirc there's a few web components in there which would require js.

(Submitted title was "Oat – Ultra-lightweight, semantic, zero-dependency HTML UI component library" - we've replaced it now)

I'm not a web dev, what do you love about it?

If it doesn't work without HTML, it's not a JS library.

It's a 12 column grid system built with CSS Grid. 12 column grids are a common design pattern. What would you propose instead?

Doesn't even need a context either.

I'm not sure which comments you're finding weird, but I spot checked a bunch and didn't see anything that looked particularly bogus, other than https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47026348 and some trollish ephemera.

The upvotes on the submission look legit to me, as does the submission itself.

Genuine question, do you normally use old browsers as your daily driver for interfacing with the web? I’d be interested in learning why.

I must appoligize - it is there, hidden under "Form elements" in the left menu. Kudos to the authors!

If you are referring to class members in the JavaScript then those are private fields[1]

[1] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Refe...

I'm not a web dev, but doesn't HTML come with a date picker?

As pointed out in another comment, it's under the form elements, not listed as a top-level component as many UI libraries do

https://oat.ink/components/#form

Which actually makes sense: Oat's driving philosophy seems to be to use and enhance native controls as much as possible, and the date picker is already a native type on the input element.

I just want something that's as easy to use as DaisyUI or even Bulma with one good set of components & themeing(beyond just palletes, like rounding, blur, transparency etc) & I'm good. For all the self-hosting model afficianados surely needing a build platform to create a blackhole of npm modules & internet connectivity for even a single build surely negates the entire point of a coding LLM if we still force it to deal with frontend

The author is the CTO of Zerodha, India’s largest online brokerage. Not that it matters, just an observation.

You are jumping to conclusions. The author is the CTO of the largest online brokerage in India but more importantly, they have created many open source software of good quality. His website and blog are of great quality. Whether you think this library deserves more attention or not is your personal preference but it is far from spam. I havr no affiliation with them but like their work.

Sad that HN is now also getting boted by LLMs. People are just shameless. HN is one of the few places left where you can post / self promote something you have made only for people to take advantage of it.

React sites are easily static.

AI Slop, basically a couple of LLM prompts will generate similar shit now.

I often use Pico CSS, and a comparison would be nice.

I have 0 delay for all parts of it. Everything loads and works instantaneously. Firefox on Android.

My first guess is that one of your add-ons is interacting badly.

That's just markdown headers. Some people like to include # as part of the header aesthetic

Ditto, if you mean the codeblock in the Typography section.

edit: clarification, focus

I had Googled my question too. Got no hits which is why I asked. Haven't seen it before.

But there's no enhancement here. That's just the native date picker control with a bit of styling on the textbox portion of it.

HTML also comes with a button and an accordion.

You mean you want DaisyUI but with extended theming, like ability to make inputs, etc, rounded? This is also something I was considering.

Thanks, I missed that when looking through the component list on the top level.

I thought they also OSSed a pretty solid https://github.com/frappe/helpdesk helpdesk but that was from Frappe, not Zerodha.

It's possible for both things to be true: this project is written by a developer well-known within India, AND this thread has a lot of bot (bought?) comments of praise in it.

Presumably it's relevant not because they use old browsers but because some of their software's users do. And I doubt most of them have a reason for doing so.

Isn't it the one from the web browser? An <input type="datetime-local" />

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Reference/...

A CTO that codes? Interesting indeed.

The strangest part is the weird commenting accounts have pretty old account ages.

No, the Q was about javascript not markdown. Peer comment from afishh (9m after yours) has it right.

The Preview of the Sidebar doesn't display the Logout button in the footer of the sidebar.

edit: That is, the footer is not within a visible area of the sidebar.

That one is highly inconsistent, on some platforms its useless. For instance on Chrome/linux entering historic dates via the datepicker takes minutes to slowly scroll through the years. Always build your own datepicker, you know better what UX pattern will best suit your application and your users.

That makes sense. As a solo dev for my side projects, I’ve intentionally decided to not support legacy browsers, which I understand bugs some folks (weirdly, usually the super tech minded types you find in here) but I’m just one guy and I have a hard time seeing the value in these user segments being worth the squeeze.

CTO in my company* remains SME on a several components, commits to several production repositories (and expects the most stringent PR checks), and maintains couple of small tool used by us and the customers.

Its not that rare I think.

*small fintech with couple of billions in the accounts, not a startup, not a Fortune 500 company

If you search you can easily find sites to buy aged HN accounts, lots of them. Just like reddit accounts.

I don't know if you're demonstrating reductio ad absurdum, but maybe that's because they are genuine? As people in the thread have pointed out, the author as well as their company is pretty well-known in software circles. They have had multiple projects discussed on HN in the past[1]. 2000 stars is not a lot given that [2].

I fail to understand why a ton of breathless blog posts about the process of AI-assisted coding are more interesting to HNers than some of the actual code (potentially, not claiming anything about it) written.

Maybe you or the GP could actually say what you think are "weird comments" and why you think this is being "boted"?

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[1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

[2] Why are people obsessed with star counts? I at least only star things to bookmark them, not vouch for them in any way. It does not seem unreasonable to me that 5 times as many people bookmarked the repo in the early days than are using it on npm. Also, npm is not necessary, the author shows at least 2 other ways to use it (direct download, link to GitHub pages) which will not show up in npm stats.

That's pretty common in small companies. It's less common in large companies but can happen - you may use the "CTO" title for the founding engineer who still leads code and architecture, then hire someone under a different title (frequently "VP of Engineering") to handle the management / team growing side of the role.

It is probably not bots. The reach of authors is pretty good. He actually loyal fan followers in india. You can see the same when he shows up on a podcast or talk.

I think theres alot indian developers who are hacker news as well as on github and other forums.

Perhaps stolen accounts? I doubt every user is practising good security hygiene with a unique password per each account. Password leaks from other sites might well allow a motivated individual to hijack some here.

That sounds like a reasonable split to me, so much so I’m not sure I’d understand why you’d want the same person handling both code/architecture and management.

I could speculate that someone in the past had the business mindset to create thousands of accounts over multiple sites and offers the ability to loan them out for a period of time.

Why do all the comments look exactly like paid comment spam?

> I love it. We need to see more of this.

> Use of semantic elements is an interesting take. I'll give it a try.

> Thank you for this, can’t wait to use. Minimalism at its best.

> Good one. Presentation is good too. Thanks

These are the kind of comments you see from Indians paid to boost Youtube content.

On second look. It could be spam. This is disappointing.

They're probably just Indians using the framework saying "thanks." India has the largest population on Earth, they're close to 1.5 billion now. I think some people underestimate what that means.

An explanation that would fit both the old accounts and the artificial comments would be that they were encouraged by the author to comment (which is against the HN rules).

This seems like some pretty lazy analysis to be honest.

Following the first comment you quoted...

> I love it. We need to see more of this.

...shows that the author talks about using a “Chase card abroad” in a previous comment [1], which means they cannot be Indian as Chase doesn't issue cards or have substantial operations in India.

I don't want to run around following specific comment authors back through their threads, but as an Indian by birth it is pretty hurtful to see this kind of drive-by casual characterization of an population in a space like this. It also seems to be pretty contrary to the HN guidelines (“Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community.”)

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[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46535775

I'm on the other side of the planet, generally not a fan of web dev, and heartily agree with the sentiments in that comment.

Same here, DevOps by trade, allergic to ridiculous frontend nonsense, my comment praised the framework.