Pretty Fish: A better mermaid diagram editor

https://d2lang.com/ is a nicer language than Mermaid with much nicer visual appearance. It would be great if it became more widely supported.

It's pretty but I don't know about better.

- How do you pan? Two finger sliding on the trackpad just zooms.

- Why does the diagram you're working on doesn't use all the remaining space? I picked one example and it's on a small-ish box with controls that don't seem to do anything and half of it is out the screen on the bottom

Ohh... the scroll metaphor... it's annoying. A bunch of tabs would have been better or even a one at a time with a tree somewhere.

There's too much fighting with layout where a plain interface would be better, something closer to https://mermaid.live/

I actually like Mermaid’s text-based approach a lot and wouldn’t want to replace it with a visual editor.

Where I do see room for improvement is the rendering quality. A lot of diagrams end up looking a bit rough, especially with arrow routing and layout, which can feel somewhat arbitrary.

Better layout/rendering would probably add more value (for me at least) than improving the editing experience.

How is this one better? I thought this was going to be a visual editor where you click and edit on the diagram itself. I don't seem to be able to do that here.

I will grant this: that's a brilliant name and domain.

The first thing I tried to do is resize that rectangle in the default diagram... and the resize handles do not affect the height, only the width. What is this "better" than?

- Write Mermaid diagrams with a live preview. - Arrange multiple diagrams on an infinite canvas. - Group diagrams into multi-page projects. - Better themes

How does the agent session thing work? Server-side you proxy requests to client via websockets or something? How does the agent see the client-side data?

I can't seem to change the colors of the pie chart, other than the predefined themes. But all of those are horrible for a pie chart.

It's pretty but I don't know about better.

- How do you pan? Two finger sliding on the trackpad just zooms.

Ohh... the scroll metaphor... it's annoying. A bunch of tabs would have been better or even a one at a time with a tree somewhere.

There's too much fighting with layout where a plain interface would be better, something closer to https://mermaid.live/

How is this one better? I thought this was going to be a visual editor where you click and edit on the diagram itself. I don't seem to be able to do that here.

I will grant this: that's a brilliant name and domain.

The first thing I tried to do is resize that rectangle in the default diagram... and the resize handles do not affect the height, only the width. What is this "better" than?

How does the agent session thing work? Server-side you proxy requests to client via websockets or something? How does the agent see the client-side data?

https://d2lang.com/ is a nicer language than Mermaid with much nicer visual appearance. It would be great if it became more widely supported.

Has anyone here used https://pikchr.org/ from the creator of SQLite?

I reached the same conclusion after comparing diagram-as-code tools — D2 feels cleaner and more expressive than Mermaid.

I’ve been working on an AI diagramming tool built around D2: https://aidiagrammaker.com/ You describe a system in plain English, and it generates architecture diagrams, flowcharts, and sequence diagrams in D2.

Edits can be made either directly in the D2 code or via a context-aware editor.

I agree that it's nicer and more powerful, but it's a little concerning it hasn't had any commits in the past 6 months: https://github.com/terrastruct/d2/commits/master/

Oh, finally, something that supports actual hierarchical state diagrams (that isn't Graphviz, no offense)... Mermaid's "You cannot define transitions between internal states belonging to different composite states" [1] has driven me up a wall for years.

  parentA.childA -> parentB.childB: voop
  parentB.childB -> parentA: vorp

shouldn't be that hard!

[1] https://mermaid.ai/open-source/syntax/stateDiagram.html#comp...

Does it produce real svgs as opposed to foreign object html in svg mess that mermaid compilers produce?

What makes it nicer?

How good is the LLM at creating d2? What if any skills/material can folks recommend? (Follow-up: D2-mcp has a cheat sheet, https://github.com/h0rv/d2-mcp/blob/main/d2/CHEATSHEET.md)

And, does GitHub support it? (Follow up: alas not! Sadness. Please add!)

- Write Mermaid diagrams with a live preview. - Arrange multiple diagrams on an infinite canvas. - Group diagrams into multi-page projects. - Better themes

I can't seem to change the colors of the pie chart, other than the predefined themes. But all of those are horrible for a pie chart.

Yeah, as far as I know, you need to define a customized theme to customize pie chart colors. You can prepend the chart with initialization logic like:

%%{init: {"theme": "base", "themeVariables": { "pie1": "#FF5733", "pie2": "#33FF57", "pie3": "#3357FF", "pieStrokeColor": "#000000", "pieStrokeWidth": 3, "pieOpacity": 0.8 }}}%%

This looks like it works on this site too.

Has anyone here used https://pikchr.org/ from the creator of SQLite?

I reached the same conclusion after comparing diagram-as-code tools — D2 feels cleaner and more expressive than Mermaid.

Edits can be made either directly in the D2 code or via a context-aware editor.

Does it produce real svgs as opposed to foreign object html in svg mess that mermaid compilers produce?

How good is the LLM at creating d2? What if any skills/material can folks recommend? (Follow-up: D2-mcp has a cheat sheet, https://github.com/h0rv/d2-mcp/blob/main/d2/CHEATSHEET.md)

And, does GitHub support it? (Follow up: alas not! Sadness. Please add!)

Yeah, as far as I know, you need to define a customized theme to customize pie chart colors. You can prepend the chart with initialization logic like:

%%{init: {"theme": "base", "themeVariables": { "pie1": "#FF5733", "pie2": "#33FF57", "pie3": "#3357FF", "pieStrokeColor": "#000000", "pieStrokeWidth": 3, "pieOpacity": 0.8 }}}%%

This looks like it works on this site too.

To be fair, pie charts are horrible in general.

I agree that it's nicer and more powerful, but it's a little concerning it hasn't had any commits in the past 6 months: https://github.com/terrastruct/d2/commits/master/

I think the founder/lead developer, Alexander Wang, works at OpenAI now.

Plus, according to this comment on an issue, folks in their discord say it's not being actively maintained.

https://github.com/terrastruct/d2/issues/2735#issuecomment-4...

Maybe it doesn't need constant fixing? Are there many issues in the tracker?

  parentA.childA -> parentB.childB: voop
  parentB.childB -> parentA: vorp

shouldn't be that hard!

[1] https://mermaid.ai/open-source/syntax/stateDiagram.html#comp...

What makes it nicer?

Take a look at https://d2lang.com/examples/dagre/ and https://d2lang.com/tour/intro/

The language is richer and all diagram types are implemented consistently in the same language in a way that can be composed, as opposed to being a collection of unrelated DSLs.

The improved visual appearance is clear from inspecting example diagrams, I believe.

To be fair, pie charts are horrible in general.

Maybe it doesn't need constant fixing? Are there many issues in the tracker?

Take a look at https://d2lang.com/examples/dagre/ and https://d2lang.com/tour/intro/

The language is richer and all diagram types are implemented consistently in the same language in a way that can be composed, as opposed to being a collection of unrelated DSLs.

The improved visual appearance is clear from inspecting example diagrams, I believe.

I think the founder/lead developer, Alexander Wang, works at OpenAI now.

Plus, according to this comment on an issue, folks in their discord say it's not being actively maintained.

https://github.com/terrastruct/d2/issues/2735#issuecomment-4...

Never imagined Scale.ai CEO was D2Lang creator nor that he joined his room-mate at OpenAI (giggle).

Thanks for sharing

I actually like Mermaid’s text-based approach a lot and wouldn’t want to replace it with a visual editor.

Where I do see room for improvement is the rendering quality. A lot of diagrams end up looking a bit rough, especially with arrow routing and layout, which can feel somewhat arbitrary.

Better layout/rendering would probably add more value (for me at least) than improving the editing experience.

Never imagined Scale.ai CEO was D2Lang creator nor that he joined his room-mate at OpenAI (giggle).

Thanks for sharing

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