If your first language is English I assume that this is less of an issue, but the problem is that not enough books are being translated anymore. Translation is expensive, and no, AI cannot do this very well yet. So yes, books are pretty cheap, their are also all either shitty cookbooks, biographies or crime novels. If you want to learn something new, you better learn to read English at a fairly high level.
My take is that yes, books are fairly cheap, but part of that is because the cost is kept down by limiting the selection to exclude a large variety of books that are no longer economical to publish. Leaving us with only the mass market books that can be printed in volumes and sold in supermarkets.
Go buy used books, they are frequently only a few Euros because no one wants them. There's a insane back catalogue of well written books in your language to be found used, and the printing quality is often very good, and if not you paid maybe €2.
I assumed (naively) that the electronic version would be the cost of the pulp version minus the cost of the pulp and printing and also minus the cost of shipping.
Author, publisher, editor still get their same cut.
In fact with DRM, the price should even be less that the above since there are no used-book sales lost.
But for the price conscious general reader just inter-library loan.
If you want to buy To Kill A Mockingbird or The Hobbit be my guest, but any library in the US would have a few copies of those.
Public libraries are awesome. Use it or lose it.
That said, the bigger issue is likely perception. The value of a book is lowered by the free reading material you can find online. An ereader is roughly the price of an archaic feeling dead-tree textbook. The glut of books chasing market trends means that you are more likely to end up with chaff than wheat. While the great books may be worth their sticker price, the pedestrian ones definitely have to compete with those perceptions.
It's interesting that he didn't breakdown the cost per book to the publishers. I think before ebooks came out he probably would have done, but ebooks have made it clear that books are priced at essentially the price they think they can get away with.
Like I feel the paper is not of the same quality. Maybe it's because they now print them on demand ?
I think it depends. I used to buy hardcopy books on Amazon, in particular scientific books. They were usually worth their money, but still it did cost a lot.
When Amazon Prime came, I noticed the quality of amazon went downwards a lot. There were additional reasons - e. g. the USA under Trump becoming hostile to Europeans - so I decided to abandon Amazon completely. Never regretted that move either. But for the most part, I also stopped buying hardcopy books; the cost was one factor, but storing books was another big one. I still have books but I don't want to keep on adding more and more books that I may read once and then never again. For the most part I transitioned into .pdf books (I hate epub format though, so I don't use that).
Some time ago I had to purchase a book for a local discussion; it did cost less than 10 euros, so that was not much (it was a thin book though, about 200 pages in DIN A5 format, e. g. the small format). That cost was not too high. I am not a "zero hardcopy books" person, but the books I purchase are significantly fewer compared to, say, 15 years ago. I still like books; easier to concentrate without being distracted, but I kind of prefer not having a lot of books in my apartment. It just is easier to organize things when I don't have to shuffle the physical location of hardcopy books.
The books on amazon were very expensive though, so I disagree on the title chosen. I think amazon became too expensive and the quality became worse. People who still use amazon should seriously consider whether they really need amazon in their life.
Boycott Amazon, Buycott Local and support your neighbors
Of course, this makes me choose my books wisely and with intention. I’m still on the lookout for an ebook reader (no more Kindles). I still want to keep a good ratio where for every 5 ebooks, I should have at least 2 physical books.
So, books are NOT cheap, but the cost is what to consider if it is “worth it” to you.
Have you purchased a college course required book recently?
There is a market monopoly by Pearson, Wiley,Cengage, and McGraw.
Buy the eBook, or the actual book with a CD in the back, but cannot access the pictures because the code can be use only once! (often the codes do not work at all)
Updated every 2 to 3 years, minor changes sufficient enough the break the previous versions. e.g., randomized tests, samples and alike.
Captive audience. If Jacky teaches the course, bet your bippy it is Jacky's book you will be buying, no ifs or buts about it.
I can do the same for certification. Have you seen the PMP certification book? Grey paper with gray text republished annually, meaning of words and descriptions are changes and tests are adjusted specifically to confuse on wording. Or, have you tried to by an international standard like ISO? $300 spiral binder, assigned to you, cannot be transferred.
So, are books not too expensive? Depends on the type of book.
Just let me buy the ebook and let me own it.
Right now, after pirating it, I have to find the author's patreon / something and contribute some money that way. It shouldn't be this hard to give someone money.
I would spend hours walking the sections looking at whatever caught my eye. Then I would pick out a couple to take home and read. This was how I discovered the world.
I think this had a bigger impact on my education then anything else in my childhood and I owe all bookstores a debt of gratitude. I am deeply saddened by the death of the used bookstore and still try to buy a stack of books whenever I am traveling and find a store.
Walking around in an Australian bookstore at least I am still a bit flabbergasted by how everything is printed to be huge, everything a slightly different size, lots of paperbacks with glossy covers etc.
Not that I think this is a "cost of materials" thing in itself. But it all compounds on itself to where now a bookstore is huge to have just some random nonsense, and people will probably buy 2 instead of 3 books.
I agree that books are probably not "too expensive", I just wish that the mass market paperbacks would be smaller more straightforward and less of a precious little item.
To anyone interested in this stuff and in Tokyo(... well, Saitama), the Kadokawa Culture Museum [0] is ... probably the biggest building commemorating a publishing house in the world? The pictures don't do it justice, the building is ginormous.
But in it there's a bit of a (corporate approved) history of Kadokawa built into the museum. Their core thing that found them success: standardising a small pocketbook format for printing their books, having almost everything print to that size, with the same font etc, and selling it at a low enough price that college students could buy more books than they could ever read.
Printing all your cheap stuff in A6 sizes mean you can have a _loooot_ of books at home before worrying about much.
Also, just do softcover or hardcover - or let use choose either from the publish date. Why do I have to wait for a softcover?
Having said that, I think the complaints about book prices are mostly an excuse for preferring to spend time on social media or download pirated books for free.
Leaving aside the question of whether they're priced "correctly", books are cheaper than a Doordash meal or a computer game we buy and never finish. Would the average person really read more books if they were $4.99 instead of $29.95?
> Yes, the original price of To Kill a Mockingbird and Tolkien’s Fellowship were just $3.95 and $5. But those are nominal values. When we factor inflation, the picture changes dramatically. In today’s dollars—and you can run this exercise yourself—those cover prices would look more like $43 and $54.
I mean, yeah that's too expensive...
> Now compare that to housing, healthcare, or admission to sporting events, movies, and concerts
that's a pretty wild set of things to compare to..
> Don’t blame books for being too expensive. Everything else is more expensive, and that’s why you can’t afford books.
so they are _indeed_ too expensive, but it's not their fault?
> When people say they want cheap books, they forget there are many other interested players at the table: authors, agents, publishers, bookstores, book distributors, and so on.
I genuinely don't care about the middlemen and supply chain, the very expectation that a book purchase comes after careful and deliberate consideration of all the tertiary factors and relevant economic forces only reenforces the idea that *books are too expensive*
> I spent over a decade at Thomas Nelson Publishers.
There you go...
I would say I'm an avid reader and spend a lot more than the average person on books, but prices are absolutely wild. When you start comparing them to movies, sporting events and concerts (healthcare!?!) you're putting them appropriately in the category of big indulgence.
I was very reluctant to make the move at first, as I love everything about physical books -- their feel, the way they smell, the cover art -- but I was accumulating too many, and finding space was becoming a hassle. The adjustment period was short, and now I'd rather have my reader over a physical book.
The only exceptions I'd make are for reference books that don't have good electronic versions on account of graphics or tables that don't render properly.
I don’t read enough, but when I did I borrowed most books and only bought the ones I wanted to read again.
If the fucks like Altman and ilk can run 'pirate everything and sell the proceeds', you damned right I'll pirate without selling anything. And I won't even feel bad.
The professional pirates normally were charged criminally. Nope, now theyre too big to fail.
My problem with physical books is mostly the physical storage space. I have to be really careful not to fill the house with them.
And that assumes you find a DRM free copy at all.
This is a parallel story for me to vinyl / streaming for music
There are some books and albums I want as physical artefacts, their aesthetic and tactile presence in my world means something more than just the content, you're right, the smell, the art, their feel
Then there are some that are _just_ content, they get streamed and bought as ebooks for just convienence and consumption
A new hardback is typically in the £20-30 range, a new paperback somewhere around £10. These are bookshop prices, not Amazon prices.
As a fairly avid reader, I try to get through a book a week, so £520 a year for a hobby. Sure it’s more than a netflix sub, but books really are quite cheap, particularly once you look at cheaper retailers and second hand.
Granted if you’re collecting lettered editions from fine press publishers, that’s perhaps a different problem.
Usually I know exactly which book I need for a given occasion: Sitting on a bus for a while = take my fiction; waiting in a ferry line = take my Japanese textbook; going mushroom hunting = mushroom book obv.
I don’t think I’ve ever been at a place where I did bring a book but wished I had brought a different book. And as such I have a hard time seeing the value in being able to access my entire library wherever I want.
I have hundreds of books. All but... I dunno, fewer than a hundred, were purchased used. Tens of the ones purchased new, were cheap Dover Thrift editions (they're so cheap that if you're paying shipping on used, you can often pay barely-more and just buy new).
Ebooks only improve my costs if I pirate.
For another thing, I don't need to worry about charging a paper book and I don't need to have a battery pack and cables to read a book if the power is out or I'm somewhere without electricity. That's probably not a concern for most of the folks on HN but I personally prefer having a reduced infrastructural dependence for certain activities.
Reading on a screen also destroys my attention span. Again, that's not necessarily a common concern for most people but if I'm reading anything heavier than Raymond Chandler, I feel like my brain turns to oatmeal on an e-reader or a computer screen.
What better way to stand up to Sam Altman than doing exactly what he did?
But I realize that I have a better and cozier feeling holding a physical book to read. As I get older, that also means I cannot deal with Paperbacks (especially in India where the quality is as bad as it gets). Buying only Hardcovers makes me choose my books wisely and feel immensely satisfied reading books.
Unfortunately, with all the things happening with Amazon—Kindle, I have done away with Kindle and sold them except for a Paperwhite that I want as my gadget/device museum piece.
I have too many books that I want to get back to, so I might just keep one but looks like Amazon is not making it easy to archive books.
Now, I’m on a lookout for an Open Source but well designed eBook Reader, akin to the Framework computers but for ebooks. I would like to still keep the physical to ebook ratio to a good number; for every 5 ebooks, I should have at-least 2 physical ones.
When I can get a godsdamned file and view it on whatever I want with whatever program I want, sure. But I usually can’t.
Online DRMed or "streamed" books can be modified or deleted.
Its kinda hard (aka impossible) to edit or delete a hardbound book on my bookshelf remotely.
I was working on web copy describing how crazy the mainstream textbook prices are, and used the price C$300 for the calculus book, trying to be flippant (to exaggerate the competitor price to make my prices look better). I decided to check the price in the bookstore, and to my surprise the price was even higher than that! (sold as bundle: book + exercise manual + solutions manual). When your real prices are higher than the pricing people use as hyperbole, you know there is a problem.
It makes no sense—for a subject that has been around for 300+ years, and virtually unchanged for the past 100.
> Don’t blame books for being too expensive. Everything else is more expensive, and that’s why you can’t afford books.
College textbook pricing is a function of the aforementioned rate of increase of everything else becoming more expensive, not a function of the cost of books increasing generally. They are, the author argues, decreasing, unless you introduce external distorting factors.
Why not just buy the thing you are pirating? That would seem to be the easiest way to give someone money.
Not an expert but my guess is that price is supply and demand. And oversupply of physical books will drive the price down since it costs money to warehouse them. There cannot be an oversupply of ebooks.
Well, if you bought Kindle, then I see, but... don't buy Kindle? There are plenty other options.
Glossy cover lamination is actually cheaper than matte lamination.
If you meant more fancier finishing like spot UV or foil-stamping, ignore what I said.
I like and use both, but yeah the feeling just isn’t the same reading on a screen vs a nice folio society hardcover.
This is a return to the original model of a university, where professors made their money from the course fees students paid to take their courses.
It's an improvement over what we have now.
Japanese paperbacks tend to use dust covers instead. Dunno if that's cheaper or not, but it seems like it.
Well it doesn't matter. Even if you compare to books that are newly published, new hardcover fiction is not $43-54. Typical is about $30.
The article is correct that recreational books are below for cumulative CPI. College textbooks on the other hand are at ~ 3 times the rate of general inflation.
Source:
BLS CPI-U (FRED: CPIAUCSL)
BLS "Educational Books and Supplies" (FRED: CUSR0000SEEA, ~767 in Mar 2026, base 1982-84=100)
BLS "Recreational Books" (FRED: CUUR0000SERG02, base Dec 1997=100, recently ~96-100
(just search for the above, and follow the link to https://fred.stlouisfed.org)
As a data point I'm reading some series I enjoyed the first 2 volumes of. I just picked up the next 7 ones because they were there and each of em were ~$5. Wouldn't have done that if they were $30, and I'm not guaranteed to get to the end!
A lot of print-on-demand "hardcovers" are just perfect-bound text blocks glued into a hard cover. So disappointing.
> the author is wrong about textbooks.
The author didn't write an article about college textbooks, he wrote a response to an article about mass market books and affordability.
The forces which have made college textbooks (and college educations in general) unprecedentedly expensive, real though they are, have little to do with this article.
Edit: I re-read my original comment and I probably wasn't clear enough. The external distorting factor is the higher education system absolutely exploding costs of everything to do with higher education, from predatory professors and textbook companies to the rent-seeking and regulatory capture of higher education institutions. College textbooks got incredibly expensive for reasons having absolutely nothing to do with the actual costs associated with making books, which are arguably cheaper than they've ever been.
If you wanted Harper Lee’s To Kill a Mockingbird back when it first released in the summer of 1960, a hardcover copy would have set you back $3.95. J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Fellowship of the Ring came out a few years before; Houghton Mifflin didn’t print the price on the jacket until 1961, but when they finally did, the flap asked potential buyers to part with five whole dollars.
Meanwhile, the current price of a hardcover book? They commonly run around $28, $30, or higher. The price for The Idea Machine is $34.95 (naturally, a steal at any price).
It’s crazy how the prices of books have gone up, and it’s impossible to avoid people complaining about the hikes, whether in discussion forums, social media, or other publications. “We’re in a book affordability crisis,” Book Riot announced in October, and memes like this one, recently posted on X, garner millions of views.
But this is hogwash. Let’s all just breathe into a paper bag and do a little math, starting with nominal prices.
Yes, the original price of To Kill a Mockingbird and Tolkien’s Fellowship were just $3.95 and $5. But those are nominal values. When we factor inflation, the picture changes dramatically. In today’s dollars—and you can run this exercise yourself—those cover prices would look more like $43 and $54.
But, of course, they’re nowhere near so high. I’ve got a hardcover of To Kill a Mockingbird right here by my elbow printed in 2023. Cover price? $27.99. So, while the nominal cost of books has gone up, factoring inflation, it’s nowhere near as high as we should expect. In fact, while not immune, books have been remarkably resistant to inflation.
Along with countless other goods and services, the Bureau of Labor Statistics tracks the cost of “recreational books” year over year as part of the Consumer Price Index. And guess what? $20 worth of books in 1997 would cost you a skosh less today: $19.49. “Recreational books experienced an average inflation rate of -0.09% per year,” reports the CPI Inflation Counter website.
Now compare that to housing, healthcare, or admission to sporting events, movies, and concerts—all of which have actually trended higher than general inflation. In the adjoining chart, books represent the only flat line.
Say this, repeat this, consider getting it tattooed:
Don’t blame books for being too expensive. Everything else is more expensive, and that’s why you can’t afford books.
Meanwhile, books are trying their darnedest to save you money. If they were tracking upward with inflation, as mentioned, your Harper Lee and hobbits would be $43 and $54. Instead, they’re 30–40 percent cheaper than we would expect them to be.
By that reckoning, books are dirt cheap. That’s not to say there aren’t upward pressures on price. I have personally participated in giving them a goose—and with good reason.
When people say they want cheap books, they forget there are many other interested players at the table: authors, agents, publishers, bookstores, book distributors, and so on.
I spent over a decade at Thomas Nelson Publishers. While most of the books I worked on for the first half of my tenure were general-market titles, primarily politics and public affairs, the majority of books published by the larger company were religious, and the religious market liked books a little cheaper than the general market; hardbacks ran, I’d say, at least 10–20 percent lower than their secular counterparts, which put me in a funny situation.
Regnery, one of my primary competitors, also published conservative political titles. This was 2005, 2006, 2007, and they stamped every book they published $27.95, minimum. Meanwhile, I had to fight my own sales team behind the building with bats, blades, and chains to get the number higher than $24.99.
The pressure for low prices created a real disadvantage in the acquisitions process. Every book I wanted to acquire required a profit-and-loss projection, and the cover price was a key lever. A higher cover price meant higher projected revenue, which meant I could justify a larger advance to win the deal. “You’re leaving money on the table!” I’d tell my sales team, trying to budge them from $22.99 to $24.99.
It adds up.
Those two dollars would make a difference, though not as much as you’d think since retailers take roughly half the cover price; the publisher only pockets a dollar of the increase. But, still, a dollar per unit adds up fast if the book sells 15,000, 20,000, 30,000 copies. Smear that effect over the entire catalog and it’s enough to get interesting.
I bring up this angle to nod at a hundred more and save the reader the rigmarole of working through each. Let me just say it this way. The costs of production are legion: author advance, price of paper, cost of printing and binding, freight and warehousing, editorial fees (developmental editing, copyediting, proofreading—often three or four different people), cover design, interior layout and typesetting, indexing, rights and permissions for quoted material, sales commissions, marketing and publicity, co-op fees to retailers for shelf placement, not to mention the returns system, which allows bookstores to boomerang unsold inventory for full credit back on the publisher, leaving the publisher with nary a dime for their trouble.
All of that—and more—has to squeeze inside that little number on the cover.
What’s wild is that, given the upward cost pressure of almost every line item on the list, the price of books stays well below the price of inflation. In any given year a journalist can look at prices and moan like someone stole their lunch. But when you survey the last few decades, you realize we’ve been eating on the cheap for a long time, mostly because publishers are highly reluctant to raise prices, despite the squeeze they feel from every cost center lobbing invoices across the transom.
Nobody, really. The only people who go into publishing dreaming of big dollars are those who also believe in the Easter Bunny. Just look at EBITDA—Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization. Taken as a percentage of revenue, EBITDA serves as a standard profit metric across companies and industries.
We can use the dataset compiled by Aswath Damodaran of NYU Stern School of Business to compare publishing with other sorts of businesses. Start with Green and Renewable Energy—very profitable at 58.45 percent EBITDA. Nice work if you can get it. There’s also:
Oil and Gas (Production and Exploration): 43.21 percent
Semiconductors: 36.77 percent
Software (System and Application): 35.93 percent
Pharmaceuticals: 33.59 percent
Alcoholic Beverages: 29.52 percent
Real Estate (Development): 24.95 percent
Healthcare Products: 20.34 percent
Machinery: 19.62 percent
Construction Supplies: 19.46 percent
Food Processing: 15.25 percent
Advertising: 14.06 percent
And publishing where they’re gouging everyone, jacking prices like pirates and extortionists? Publishing is down around 13.18 percent, three points below the total market EBITDA average of 16.56 percent.
The numbers I’ve seen for publishing usually range from 5 to 15 percent, depending on the year. For reference, grocery stores run about 5 percent. So even at the upper end of the spread, publishing is much closer to Kroger than to Pfizer or Salesforce. The only people publishers are gouging are themselves.
When you hear people say books cost too much money and demand that publishers cut their prices, where are they supposed to cut it from? Some years the only reason publishers are profitable at all is because of layoffs and other creative restructuring—a recurring risk when you run that lean to begin with. Grocery stores can afford to play close to the line because everyone needs groceries every week. But when the market’s wobbly, it’s very easy to put off buying a book. If buyers get frugal a couple months in a row, suddenly the publisher is in the red.
Bookstores have been having a good run the last several years, and they’re positioned to continue the trend. It’s worth saying they didn’t get there by discounting books. They got there by adding value to their customers who prefer what they have to offer instead of the 20 or 30 percent they’d save on Amazon.
In fact, some indie booksellers are dogmatic about higher price books. They know what keeps their doors open. If the Raven in Lawrence, Kansas, discounted like Amazon, the owner calculates they could stay open less than a week before their costs outran their revenue.
If you want a thriving retail market—not to mention the wider publishing and literary ecosystem—it’s worth recognizing that cheaper books undercut the whole notion:
reduced pay and perks for bookstore staff (health insurance? don’t be silly);
reduced salary for editors (and fewer of them), which means poorly edited books;
reduced financial wherewithal to start and maintain families while working for literary enterprises;
reduced advances and royalties for authors, the vast majority of whom already can’t support themselves on their writing alone;
reduced EBITDA for publishers, which jeopardizes their entire enterprise.
Cheaper books mean more than paying less for books you love; they mean fewer books, worse books, and fewer people able to make a living producing them.
The next time you pick up a $30 hardcover and wince, remember you’re holding a year (probably more) of someone’s creative labor; multiple rounds of professional editing; original cover art and interior design; paper, printing, binding, warehousing, and shipping; a bookseller’s rent; a clerk’s wages; not to mention an entire supply chain from forest to shelf.
What’s more, you get all of this distilled into an object that supplies you with ten to twenty hours of the most immersive form of entertainment humans have ever invented. And did I mention that you own it forever?
Books aren’t remotely too expensive. In real dollars, they’re cheaper right now than when John F. Kennedy was president. Everything else got more expensive, true, but books didn’t. We’re just so used to the bargain we forgot it was one.
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