Modern smartphones could easily be meshnet nodes, but they don't really support P2P networking.
See: FireChat, Bitchat (removed from the Chinese app store), Airdrop (Apple limited its functionality in China)
Just call your opponents anti-democratic, extremist or polarising and here you go. Democracy!
(1) directly fund studies and reproductions of studies (promising ahead of time to publish the results, even if negative) targeting the exact issues they're concerned about
(2) writing and publishing extensively to show people the results and help them arrive at a correct interpretation of the data
(3) make a public commitment ahead of time to change opinion based on what the data says, and not to overstate underdetermined theses
... instead of spending money trying to control the political narrative?
That would simply be science doing science -- which has always threatened the establishment because it's accountable to reality, not authority.
Science rightly done never claims authority, just reports on what the data says. Truth is powerful enough on its own.
“Nature was, and is, a commercial enterprise, owned by the privately held company Macmillian publishers. . .”
Get off the Internet, go read a book. “Plastic Fantastic: How the Biggest Fraud in Science Shook the Scientific World” - Eugene Samuel Reich.
The bullshit artists are at it again.
The algos optimize for engagement, which can roughly translate into the people drive the algos, as they would stop watching or visiting or commenting, if it was not something they wanted to engage in.
So in some ways, is this not democracy to the max?
I wonder if articles like these don’t like the outcomes, or the reflection of society that the algos create. And thus attack them, because they would rather curate and limit conversation and expressions on the internet they don’t like or agree with.
1. There was no algorithm tweaking your feed. Promoting something and suppressing something else.
2. Creators were not paid.
3. Advertisements were randomly allocated irrespective of the content.
4. There were no such thing as likes.
5. Users had the option to pay for an ad-free experience.
1) Hand-wringing about information disintermediation: previously, institutional gatekeepers filtered information and interpreted it for the public. Now, the public sees raw information and forms its own judgements.
2) Social media has cut revenue streams for the sorts of organizations that bleat non-stop about how social media is a thread.
3) Weakening of ability of the institutional class to censor defectors and promulgators of inconvenient facts, which disaffected former censors call "disinformation".
Far from being a threat to "democracy", the internet is the best thing that's ever happened to it. Social media and the internet more broadly have enabled an unprecedented increase in breadth and depth of public participation in the marketplace of ideas. Those who don't like the result never liked democracy.
It's exhausting, this ceaseless cacophony of high-minded bullshit. I'm sick and tired of hearing people exclaim that the internet is a danger to "democracy" when, really, the problem is that the internet produces democratic outcomes they don't like.
Having identified the true root of the problem, I would recommend directing resources towards dismantling advertising. Focusing on anything else is wasted effort.
broadband reduced civic participation, eroded social trust, and boosted voting for extreme-right and populist parties in Italy and Germany.
Is the "extreme-right" party in Germany still chaired by a brown lesbian woman?
It wasn't long ago that the Twitter shoe was on the other foot, and many of those complaining now were quite happy to endorse the right of private companies to promote/suppress speech at will (with no hint of irony regarding their alleged ideological views on private companies)
A problem for whom? If a form of government requires someone, somewhere, to prevent people talking to each other, this form of government is illegitimate. Period. The end.
It’s definitely not explicitly stated though.
Classical liberalism requires certain rights and protections to every member of society in ways they could be perceived as “anti democratic” if for example a minority group is widely hated.
Generally speaking all of this requires some level of rules and forbearance, and a political “playing field” where disputes can be ironed out.
Part of what is required for this to work is a shared epistemology. This has historically been provided by journalist and academic elites, but it the thing that is being eroded by social media.
The problem is now everyone can choose their own reality, but that reality may just be completely not true. This was a well known phenomenon on the right but it’s happening a lot more on the left as well, with it being taken as a fact that everyone in the US is poor and struggling even though that is not true at all.
The net effect of this is that “charismatic” reactionary parties that are detached from reality perform better, because memeing wins elections better than doing things for constituents. The link was always a bit tenuous but now it’s completely broken and we’re seeing the rise of anti intellectual parties everywhere.
I'm not using anything too esoteric (Firefox Developer Edition, highly tweaked + extensions).
It can also mean highly influential support for ideologies I don't like - like fascism, authoritarianism and ultranationalism.
> many of those complaining now were quite happy to endorse the right of private companies to promote/suppress speech at will
A few years ago, bog-standard content moderation was limiting the reach of enormously+reasonably unpopular ideologies like fascism, authoritarianism and ultranationalism. Groups who were profoundly unhappy with these limits would bullhorn complaints of intentional suppression and censorship.
With the release of the Twitter Files (which exposed content moderation), it became clear that many folks were unable to differentiate between actual, long-established content moderation methods and actual directed suppression and censorship.¹
This deep misinterpretation seemed to flow from the ignorance of what content moderation looks like at scale. That core misunderstanding was often amplified and made worse when historically-moderated individuals filled in that vacuum with their long standing preconceptions.
The upshot are today's efforts to raise the visibility of far-right viewpoints thru coordinated crafted messaging² and thru actual suppression of non-right viewpoints thru new controls over platforms and thru often unaccountable misuse of governmental powers.
Our present conditions seem to well reflect and align with the article author's analysis.
This didn’t necessarily mean the content was good or neutral, but it generally limited how “out there” stuff could be especially since you need a fairly broad audience and everyone had to see the same things.
With social media everyone can choose their own adventure, and create their own alternate realities, and that doesn’t prevent the social media companies from scaling.
err not necessarily, mass media like the printing press, radio, television, the internet etc just increases visibility and expands people's understanding of the world, the risk to democracy is destabilizing economic conditions (extreme inequality). Social media just exacerbates this.
That's what we're told, anyways
It isn't too unreasonable to think about that there might be an invisible thumb on the scales for any of these algorithms
Now it is mis-informed voters.
Edit: Grammar.
I mean is the information raw really? How raw was #metoo or would you rather meet a man or a bear in the woods. The internet is super-curated. There’s like super obscure intellectual woke all over x/twitter; The opposite of raw, that’s what people like about it! Raw would be a _substantial_ improvement over the like bizarrely curated shit we have everywhere now.
Besides, even if it was just about twitter, it can only take a small portion of the population to swing an election. Word of mouth is also downstream from twitter. People might not see something on twitter, but they might hear it from someone who saw it there.
I like to think that I am not alone in this and this happened to hundreds of thousands of people. When you overly optimize for engagement at some point you cause burnout and loss of interest. It felt funny seeing musk claim that all twitter statistics were going up without realizing the cost of it. Social media has to strike a very strong balance to keep you engaged, but not too engaged.
I dont care about social media algorithms, as far as I am concerned its settled that they suck. Its also not "The architecture of the internet" in any way shape or form.
https://x.com/RealJarTaylor/status/2062546762666303701 (This user used to be banned on Twitter, and is still banned on Facebook, and by credit card networks. That never prompted any "risk to democracy" articles.)
"Fascism" means not barring your citizens from leaving their country to attend the wrong kind of political gathering: https://www.hungarianconservative.com/articles/current/maxim...
"Authoritarianism" means not explicitly directing police to discriminate against whites: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/31/two-tier-police-...
The thing is, sometimes the decisions of (other) democratic countries can be pretty braindead. The UK and its age verification nonsense, Spain and its holy crusade against La Liga stream pirates, the US and anything to do with abortions/LGBT/Black people/whatever the book ban lunatics are trying to push today, Germany's infamous "Pimmelgate" and "Mehrzweckeier" scandals...
Suddenly, the question really is, whose laws to follow to what degree.
isn't the issue that you can't actually choose yourself, but that it is chosen for you?
pick one:
- stupid people vote without understanding what they vote for
- stupid people don't vote, but it's not a democracy anymore
Everyone has a voice now, but the hysterical, shouting voices drown out the calm ones.
These social media sites could be designed for consensus-building and we would see very different outcomes for society.
It's not hypocritical to want the democracy that works instead of the one that self-disintegrates.
Because if you are right it’s a loosing battle. The masses will always be under informed, and under educated. And the only way to inform and educate them would result very undemocratic society.
ref: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ultranationalism
Fascism is a more complex but is basically is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology. It's adherents tend to
Exalt Their Nation and Race
Embrace and Support Authoritarian Governance
Condone Militant Nationalism and Violence
Prefer Social and Economic Regimentation
Parrot Populist Rhetoric
(credit Wikipedia, Britannica, et AL)Hence if you throw enough lines, you can catch almost anyone and lead them towards garbage.
As in, it was easy for us to evolve to see the same physical reality (sight, sound, smell, etc) but we had to evolve spiritual predispositions in order to create arbitrary attractors in value space, which could pull us toward something shared. This, in turn, allowed civilizations to grow larger even as language complexified our imagined world into much higher dimensions (compared to more primitive animal minds)
So spirituality (and it's inevitable scaled system of religions) is both an oppressor and an enabler of getting here. Like a primitive form of governance that we evolved before we were thoughtful enough to invent governance ourselves :)
Would you trust that power in Trump's hands? If so, would you have trusted it in Biden's?
"Keep it from getting into the wrong hands, forever" is not a workable plan. The correct plan is "the government doesn't get that power".
This has been raised for decades, if not centuries.
The problem is that what is or isn't considered an educated view is /heavily/ dependent on... the political bent of the person(s) articulating the view, and the person(s) making the determination.
What's worse is that "fringe" views can often lead us to something that has previously been overlooked.
Finally - Australia has 100% compulsory voting - everyone must vote in elections, else receive a fine. That's intended to be sure that everyone is involved in providing their opinion on how the political body that's being voted on is an accurate reflection of the people being governed. What it doesn't do is force people to care, and a phenomena known as a "Donkey vote" occurs.
You can force people to attend classes educating them on civics, but you cannot force them to absorb, or even care, because, for a lot of people, politics is so repulsive - all they see is people squabbling about abstract ideas that the voters have next to no understanding how, or even if, it will affect them.
It is considerably easier to manipulate someone if you have a lot of data about them, yes.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10055613...
Incredible argument
I don't think this is necessarily true. A while ago, I read a study which found that right-leaning people have the greatest media diversity, i.e. they also consume media from their political opponents. The problem here is less that people are being in a filter bubble or pick their information selectively, and more that people weight information differently depending whether they trust the source, or not.
That is not what I said. They might still care, but the point is that the elections should not be hijacked by one topic (this is not in the interest of those voters, but since they are uninformed, what do they know?) I hope that clears it up.
After all, the people can only vote for the candidates that managed to end up on the voting ballot.
doesn't really sound the same to me but I guess we can just agree to disagree
Criticizing the system on this basis won't accomplish anything. Even if you win and get rid of it, we're all just going to once again end up under the influence of rich people in whatever new system replaces it. Search for the root cause.
The first line of evidence comes from naturalistic quasi-experiments from which we can infer the causal impact of the rollout of internet hardware on relevant outcome measures. For example, the rollout of broadband in the US 20 years ago was affected by state “right-of-way” laws, which govern how easy it is for telecommunications companies to lay cables along public roads and land corridors. Some states imposed far more onerous conditions than others before digging could commence. Using this variation in regulation as an independent variable, one study showed that broadband availability increased affective political polarization.
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There is now a solid body of evidence showing that internet availability is causing a variety of outcomes that adversely affect democracy. However, these studies leave unanswered the question of why and how these effects occur. Why would access to fast broadband make people more polarized and more extreme?
The answer may have something to do with platform algorithms, such as curated newsfeeds (e.g., on Facebook) or ranking of posts (e.g., the “for you” feed on X). Algorithms have long been in the sights of researchers and regulators as potential culprits of polarization because of their opacity and their known focus on maximizing user engagement and platform dwell time with little regard for the quality of curated content.
Recent auditing studies have examined the political implications of algorithm design in the US and Germany. In the US, after Elon Musk endorsed Donald Trump for president in 2024, Republican-leaning X accounts received a measurable boost in visibility relative to Democrats, and Musk’s own posts accumulated 17.1 billion views between July and November 2024—surpassing all political campaign advertising on the platform. During the German federal election in 2025, an algorithmic audit of X, TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube found that around half of all party-related content that was algorithmically recommended to young users across platforms involved an extreme-right party, doubling its audience share relative to the content’s original upload rate on TikTok. Center-left parties, by contrast, were suppressed. A similar result was observed in an analysis of all posts by 436 German politicians on X during the election campaign, which similarly found that the X algorithm disproportionately amplified content from parties at the political extremes, in particular on the extreme right, and systematically suppressed parties in the center of the political spectrum.
Those algorithmic biases have demonstrable behavioral consequences. A recent field experiment re-ranked content expressing antidemocratic attitudes and partisan animosity on X. When anti-democratic content was down-ranked, participants’ outgroup animosity and negative emotions declined compared to participants in the control condition who were exposed to the standard X algorithm—implying that the algorithm is favoring, or at least failing to guard against, anti-democratic content. The changes observed in that experiment were comparable in magnitude to 3 years of increasing affective polarization in the US.
Remarkably, many platforms are demonstrably aware of the risks they pose to democracy. Under EU legislation (the Digital Services Act; DSA), platforms must file annual systemic risk assessments of their operations and how they might affect democracy, and Bing, X, Snapchat, and TikTok all highlight the risks of echo chambers in their reports.
Fortunately, the problems emerging from algorithmic curation are, in principle, solvable. The experiment that identified the problematic role played by the X algorithm in prioritizing anti-democratic content also identified a potential solution: the experiment was possible only because the researchers developed an algorithm that could downrank anti-democratic content—suggesting that the same technology could be deployed by platforms at scale in the interest of democracy.
Finally, a fundamental attribute of social media is that they give rise to “homophilic” networks. Homophily refers to the natural tendency of individuals to form bonds with similar others. Birdwatchers join birdwatching groups online, and bowling aficionados hang out with fellow bowlers, and so on. A unique attribute of online networks is that they permit homophily to emerge even for fringe views: people who think the Earth is flat can link up online as easily as birdwatchers—which would be impossible in real life because “flat-earthers” are few and far between.
Second, if a person holds a political belief that they think is widely shared, when in fact it is a minority viewpoint, then it is unlikely that that person would be satisfied by a government acting on behalf of a majority-based mandate. As a result, that person might feel disenfranchised from “remote elites” that do not serve “ordinary people”—in other words, the familiar vocabulary of populist politics emerges naturally from people holding false-consensus beliefs.
A recent large study in Germany confirmed the link between false-consensus beliefs and populist attitudes. Respondents were asked to estimate public support for seven controversial policies (e.g., abolishing the right to asylum, higher taxes on the rich) and indicated their own opinions on those issues. Individuals who systematically overestimated support for their own positions scored higher on all three dimensions of populist attitudes—popular sovereignty, anti-elitism, and Manichean worldview—with the association holding across the left-right spectrum. The fundamental ability of online social networks to bring together people—the very essence of social media’s appeal—thus carries within it the seeds of the corrosion of democracy by facilitating the creation of a multitude of diverse and sometimes fringe communities that all feel empowered by like-minded peers but ignored by a government acting on behalf of the true majority.
So will democracy survive the internet? Perhaps, but the available evidence calls for robust protective action, such as debiasing algorithms and devising tools to help people be better calibrated to the prevalence of their own views, lest we end up in a polarized and fractured authoritarian society.