It felt, like Fable was able to kinda grasp very deep knowledge/intelligence layers and outline solution not only in agreeable way, but rather it proposed to prioritize solution items, with discarding some of the items, which made a lot of sense to me.
While Fusion felt more like a bit diversified answer of the same class of pre-Fable SOTA models, without touching the depth of knowledge/intelligence layers, which Fable was able to get, in my very limited tests I did, while Fable was accessible.
- multi-model consensus, with multiple cross-review rounds. Obviously, the number of inference tasks explodes with the number of models. Led to some interesting results [^0].
- giving an agent "stray thoughts" produced by the same model, or another, giving the second model a selection of the agent’s context, with different triggers (random, loop detection,…)[^1]. So far has proven very helpful and much cheaper than the first.
[0]: https://github.com/lightless-labs/refinery
[1]: https://github.com/Lightless-Labs/skunkworks/tree/main/flux
Seeing this log is interesting: https://link.ekin.dev/6RzYGGX7
It came up with a decent response but I guess Opus or GPT 5.5 would do fine anyway. Gotta try it on different stuff. But this feels like it would work great on some situations.
I found that Fable didn't have as much of an impact when put in a team.
But it was/is a very pleasant model to work with 1:1. And was the first time I didn't use my primary team based workhorse in months, across 10s of sessions last week.
One scenario I can see it working is writing markdown specs before the coding starts and analysing it for gaps. That’s so few tokens that throwing as much LLM against it as possible is worthwhile regardless of cost per million tks
Two instances of the same model, a producer and a reviewer, and the loops doesn't end until everybody's happy.
I had been trying to fill this up with big models but it doesn’t seem like these give a good return per Gb
I’m looking at that and wondering would I be better off running multiple such models in parallel. It would probably be a better way to load balance across SLI.
My guess is the scaling will be more “mythical man month” than “no more free lunch” - the interaction of models resembling social dynamics moreso than multi-core setups.
Given that these actors are largely homogenous in culture and incentivising, and coordination overhead is drastically reduced.
Commonly we consider optimal team size to be between 3 and 7 and Brookes’ maximum team size is around 10 or so before the system fails. It should be possible to blow way past those numbers and still experience increased gains in productivity as long as you can keep all your instances stoked.
After extensive testing and benchmarking I discovered that when you ask one model to judge another's response you don't actually get a better answer. You are just asking it "how closely does this resemble the answer you would have given me." Additional rounds and all the "obvious" solutions that pop into your mind reading the proceeding sentence are essentially just cranking up the temperature.
I did find a solution, but it is insanely expensive. Maybe if this gains traction I'll release mine.
As expected, Fusion was 7x slower and 4x the cost.
This isn't a knock against it, just that it I think this places Fusion into a "use it only when you need it" category.
Surpassing Frontier Performance with Fusion
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48525392
And a slightly better UI here: https://openrouter.ai/fusion
On OpenRouter's fusion API your request is routed to several models simultaneously and a judge model combines their answers into a final response. This significantly boosts performance, at the cost of time (at least on the one benchmark they tested, a deep research benchmark).
They have a Budget preset consisting of 3 cheaper models (which roughly matches Fable on that benchmark, costing half as much), and a Quality preset of 3 expensive ones (which beats Fable, but costs twice as much as Fable).
Pareto graph: https://openrouter.ai/blog/images/blog/fusion-benchmark-cost...
Curiously, fusing a model with itself also boosted performance (2xOpus4.8 roughly matching Fable on the benchmark, but costing twice as much as Fable). There's a further, smaller gain from mixing different models. The main gain seems to be from additional test time compute.
Would love to see more research on this, especially focusing on the cheap models that came out recently (e.g. Fusing DSV4 with itself, or with Mimo), and to see what the tradeoffs look like between running a fusion (parallel test time compute) vs increased reasoning or turns.
Built - claude-fusion-launcher — run Claude Code on a panel of models, not just one
Also shows cost
I get significantly better results by pre-prompting each LLM (they can be the same LLM too, just another instance), I pre-prompt them to approach from a different perspective. Basically, I create expert personas that each believe they are someone of a different career, different intellectual perspectives, and then that generates a real debate between experts.
That is more or less the same thing.
I am not sure who is the intended user of this fusion api as with all things prompt + model matter.
I have tested two judge models in my apps:
1. Judge model for a resume tailor. It evaluated the result resume vs the base resume and JD and judged it out of 10 on fit and honesty. It worked well and was useful.
2. Review model in my LLM trading bot platform. It reviews decisions from the Main model. The problem here is that the bot is navigating ambiguity. So unless the Review model catches an outright blunder (e.g. making a decision on wrong candle price or a BUY when it should be a SELL), the Review model can do more harm than good.
First, it adds latency to decisions, decisions take twice the amount of time (like be 60s instead of 30s for Gemma 4 31B). Second, it can make the bot too cautious, because Review model only runs on BUY/SELL decisions and not HOLD decisions, so the bot will only make less trades instead of review model increasing number of trades (because of latency and cost).
So overall, I think you'll get better results with a better model single shotting it rather than a review model if the answer isn't easily verifiable. But then why do you need a judge model and not just have the same agent review itself?
ALSO, if you read the reasoning text for a reasoning model (like Gemma 4), you see that it ALREADY reviews itself. So it's doing its best, re-review isn't really adding information. It's an interesting experiment, but you need to evaluate on a case by case basis.
I think there is alpha just have to be very careful how you let the models com up with solutions and collaborate.
I'll share a revelation which vastly improved my results: tell judges to evaluate truth and usefulness/should-be-fixed axis separately. Because inevitably with a prompt that is forcing to find issues you will end up with nitpicks. Plus truth axis allows to better evaluate the issue-finder models for your use case.
That's some part of what happens when I generate explanations like this one: https://hanzirama.com/character/%E6%9D%A5#explain - at this point the site is a small side product of my LLMs-evaluation machinery.
Bonus content for patient readers: if you need top quality you will likely need to pin provider(s) on OR, :exacto is not enough to get good repeatable results especially for open-weights models.
I don't think it would work without a human in the loop but it is surprising to me how varied models' vibes are and how a system design varies by what it thinks is important to include and emphasize.
Here's what I use: https://github.com/DheerG/swarms
I would love to hear why they have created it, what was the business case, what this is going to serve? As you said, this is pretty easy to replicate
(10 points on the benchmark, or a relative increase of over 20%)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44630724
TFA on the other hand tests two things at once: mixing models, and "fuse a model with itself",! the latter being just test time compute. e.g. Opus was able to match Fable on TFA, at the cost of costing twice as much money (and presumably time).
These two dimensions are orthogonal but can be combined for further gains.
It's not clear that every task benefits from it though. The only benched deep research, and their results are a bit weird. (e.g. they have DeepSeek outranking frontier models.)
More research needed!
it's nice to see an actual privacy committment, i spend a lot of time reading through reams of evasive and nebulous provider terms
Anyone else fell like if you can trick the LLM into a mode where it "feels" superior, it will act the asshole very well?
The idea would be to use fusion with simpler, cheaper models.
Back in the GPT2 to GPT3 era this was a pretty common thing to do. You are effectively taking more samples from the space of likely outputs. If your model can do the task 60% of the time just take 5-10 samples and implement some kind of majority voting
It became less common to use as models got high accuracy on problems where combining results is trivial. But with a more complex judge (a competent LLM) you can still get better results by just sampling more of the output space and picking out the best aspects
I'm not seeing that? Did you maybe misread the #2 ranked one as Fable + GPT + Gemini? It's actually Opus + GPT + Gemini.
If it can do it, but unreliably, that's where you would get major gains from iterating. I think the Chinese models are in that sweet spot, for many tasks. I would love to test that.
I started working on my own fusion system yesterday. I'm not sure how to benchmark it though.
The thing I'm most interested in is reliability. Going from 90% to 95% on a benchmark doesn't seem like much but you've cut the error rate in half.
I wouldn't be surprised if Fable/Mythos is a model distilled from a Panel/Council of Claude instances. Recursive self improvement is something all AI labs must be working on in some way or another.
Out of interest: Was this still before CoT/thinking-mode became the norm?
That definitely doesn't sound right.
