The thing that stands out to me isn't even the fake identity or the fake country. It's that the incentives are completely backwards.
Submitting a bogus DMCA is basically free. Google's cheapest option is to comply first and sort it out later. Meanwhile the person who did nothing wrong has to spend hours (or money) fixing it.
That's a system where every incentive points toward abuse...without knowing what and how this system works behind the scenes, makes me wonder...if it's one of those "delegated to Accenture" processes; like the Google Drive file moderation...
this is the most infuriating part, you don't even have to be a person to do this?
This also demonstrates why it is bad for a law to mandate private entities to do moderation, in this case taking down copyright infringement materials when reported. Google, like basically all big platforms, doesn't care if a claim is fraudulent because the parties impacted cannot hold it accountable — google will just tell you they are themselves victims of the fraudulent claim. And to be fair, they are. But it has to enforce the claims or else lose its safe harbor exemption. This practically allows bad actors to use platforms as their shields, and in the end no one but the victim suffers any consequences for their abuse of the copyright laws.
I think a more sane approach would to require every copyright takedown to require a court order. Granted, the legal system is not perfect, but judges are not incentivized to always side with the supposed copyright holder like online platforms do. They will not be letting someone claiming to be living on a deserted island to file a claim and even when fraud does occur, they will at least know where the claim is actually coming from and be able to punish the fraudster accordingly.
Requiring verification through government ID for takedown notices should be a minimum requirement.
It seems obvious that there should be a review process for takedown requests, with penalties for frivolous requests. (Up to and perhaps including lawsuits to cover costs and for the sake of deterrence.) But it's not at all obvious to Google.
https://www.mailplus.co.uk/tv-guide/tv/394562/crashed-800m-f...
This has been known for years. Copyright has been abused for many many years in this sense.
And Google is very well known for their completely absent human-in-the-loop support, so that doesn’t help either.
I have seen that posh double-barreled surname before: Charles and Cathy Negus-Fancey were the managers of the reclusive cult musician Scott Walker and his interface to the world. Any close relation?
Because there is no law that requires a penalty. It's very common on YT, if you are big enough of a company you can file them willy nilly and never get any consequence
In a country with an efficient legal system, maybe…
Requiring the claimant to put something at stake (make it a nominal deposit you get back in case of either no challenge or the case actually going to court) seems more realistic, but I’m not holding my breath for a reform of the law to that extent.
The "Negus-Fancey" family has several IMDB-listed producer/directors, so the two brothers might be movie industry nepo kids: https://www.imdb.com/find/?q=Negus-Fancey
I don't think this means desperation, it's just these assholes weaponize the law on a regular basis.
Honestly, I usually like to give people the benefit of the doubt. But these Pollen guys seem like grade-A assholes. It is astonishing to me the gall to double charge people on the order or $3.2M and never return the money. I can't bear to not repay someone even a dollar, but intentionally doing stuff like this seems to be run of the mill for these guys. I can't even get in the headspace of people who would do this.
Ultimately the whole system needs reform now where it's easier than ever via LLMs to send off these notices.
Also (tangential nit for the sake of information-sharing), to "bare" oneself is to be vulnerable; you meant "bear" as in to be able to carry or support something -- and the "myself" is extraneous. So, "I can't bear to..." HTH! :)
If it's not worth a court case, then it must not be very important. Or maybe they have no case.
Fictional address, sure: that would, as I understand, be some kind of fraud, and can reasonably be prohibited if there's a mechanism to do so… but then you run into the problem that not everyone has an address.
1. The whole Pollen case (I didn't know about)
2. That Google can be tricked so easily?
3. The whole "industry" that seems to be in place to clean the image of some scumbags in the internet (this whole Ellie Piee from Bouvet Island)
I think the most worrying part is Google's fragility to hurt itself.
There's of course a whole legal system that has been dealing with this since for ever.
If I were to implement it myself, I'd use a third party service like those that can verify passports and driver's licenses and so on.
Because Google started the process of removing humans from every loop possible years ago, and these sorts of things are the results of those sorts of things.
You know you can just read the linked articles, right?
Edit: parent has edited their post, it used to say something like "google has never notified anyone about such things".
In an ideal world. They might even be legally liable in this one. But you still have to sue them to get the money, which is an expensive gamble for a very small pay off.
In 2022, I wrote about the damning fall of events tech company Pollen. The short of it:
Pollen seemed to have pulled off the improbable feat of building a business in the notoriously low margin industry of events, surviving Covid-19, and building a solid software engineering organization. In April this year, the company announced it had raised another $150M in fresh funding.
But just three weeks later, Pollen laid off about 200 people, a third of staff. Leadership assured employees all was well. However, from that point on, things got worse. Leadership later pulled the plug on Slack, employees were not paid wages, pension contributions went missing, and vendors were not paid. Some vendors took matters into their own hands; on 9 August 2022, JIRA was suspended when Atlassian tired of the company’s failure to pay.
On 10 August 2022, Pollen went bankrupt, collapsing into administration.
The article looked bad on Pollen's founder, Callum Negus-Fancey. He was ultimately responsible for lying to staff, not paying salaries, the missing pension contributions, and the unpaid health insurance for US employees. The story was so bad that the BBC created a documentary titled Crashed: $800M Festival Fail.
And then there was the $3.2M dobule charge for customers, manually initiated by CTO Bradley Wright, detailed extensively in the documentary Crashed: $800M Festival Fail. That double charge would have been trivial to reverse, but the reversal never happened, customers never got their money back, and the postmortem of the incident was never released to staff.
Four years later, Pollen and Callum Negus-Fancey are attempting to erase this shameful story from the public record. The article is my original writing, and thus I am the copyright holder of it. So imagine my surprise when I was notified that Google removed the article from its search results thanks to a copyright infringement claim it received:


It seems that anyone can file a bogus copyright claim to get an article they don't like removed from Google's search index. This happened in this case. I have no information on who filed the copyright claim. Even less so on who claims to be the copyright owner? Because I am the only possible copyright owner!
And Google has gone ahead and removed my article about Pollen's shameful collapse from its search results.
I have the option to appeal, which I have done so.
Google's copyright removal system is clearly being abused, to a comical degree. Someone doesn't like that I went into extreme detail about the events at Pollen - all of which are facts. And, for some reason, bogus copyright requests can be weaponized to remove information like this from Google's search index.
I managed to find the bogus DMCA complaint submission, after Google removed my site from search results. It is absolute BS: it claims that my original article is a copy of a The New York Post article. Which is absolute nonsense!

This "Ellie Piee" claimed that this 1998 article titled Band Leader Hits Winning Chord was copied by my article Inside Pollen’s Collapse: “$200M Raised” but Staff Unpaid - Exclusive. The two do not even share a single sentence!
The fake DMCA is made by a fake profile from a country with zero inhabitants. The removal requests by this "Ellie Piee" are made from the country called Bouvet Island, an uninhabited Norwegian dependent territory in the South Atlantic/Southern Ocean near Antarctica. It has zero inhabitants, and is referred to as the "world's most remote island."

Bouvet Island. No inhabitants, and yet Google accepted a fake DMCA takedown request from a fake person claiming to reside here. What a joke
Why does Google allow fraudulent DMCA notices to be filed with no penalty? My own speculation is that it is clear enough that either Pollen, or its former CEO Callum Negus-Fancey, or its cofounder and COO Liam Negus-Fancey or someone else related to the company hired reputation firms to remove Pollen articles from Google. This firm then files the most bogus requests under fake names supposedly residing in uninhabited regions of the world, and Google complies.
I never thought I would have to revisit the shameful history of Pollen, but someone at the company felt the need to prompt me to do so.
Lawsuits are still ongoing against Pollen, by the way. Now that someone from Pollen tried to erase the record of this story, I got a bit of renewed interest in what has happened since. In California, the lawsuit Tayler Ulmer vs Pollen is still in progress, summarized as:
I am wishing best of luck to the claimants - former Pollen employees - and we will see how the judge rules in this lawsuit. The more Pollen wants to silence me writing about this, the more I'll likely pay attention.
Pollen executives should have read what the Streinsand effect means!
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