But, it performs very well for its size. I just looked it up, and it's much smaller than I thought it was when I was testing it. 310B A15B is tiny for how well it performs. I guess that explains why it's so cheap.

One thing that might not be obvious about about DSV4 is how much innovation the Deepseek team implemented in its architecture. When llama.cpp fully supports its lightning indexer, the full 1M context will only require about 6G of RAM. So even though they are similar in size, I believe Deepseek will be much more efficient in that regard.

> I wonder if Hy3 can compete there

Highly depends on how well Hy3 is resilient to quantization. DSV4 is useful even at 2-bit quants.

Whereas I can run DSv4 Flash on a pair of DGX Sparks and have enough memory left over for 3M tokens of KV cache, with Hy3 (quantized to FP4), there is only room for ~130K tokens of KV cache.

GPT5.4 xhigh DeepSWE - 52%

A lot of contaminated benchmarks in the blog post about Hy3, needs real testing though I have a distinct feeling it's benchmaxxed like a lot of Chinese models.

I'll try it again now that it's out of preview and has been updated with more post-training. It presumably can't be worse, so maybe it's better enough to compete with a 31b model.

While I dont really enjoy LLMs, you did help me realize my unreasonable feelings as well as realize the occupation (and the joys I got from it) is essentially dead from it’s previous iteration and that I should let go and just join in the “I’m doing it for the money and attention” crowd. I will still just hand code my own projects and not use LLMs when I can.

I think it’s cool you started the pelican meme however useful it really is even if only aesthetically.

I would.

I looked into DeepSeek's architecture a little bit and the main focus was how can we save as much money as possible. They did a lot of cost cutting with the attention mechanisms. This allowed them to offer an insanely cheap price even on massive contexts, but seems to have come at the cost of performance?

At least, that's my guess, when I see smaller models costing more and outperforming, I think, "they must have denser attention?"

Edit: fixed, got bad info

For 'general intelligence', DS4 Flash seems to be a noticeable step up still.

Its also only 13B active, so your decode speed would be nearly 2x that of Qwen3.6-27B. So there are other latent benefits as well.

https://huggingface.co/collections/z-lab/dflash

I'm running the qwen3.6-27B + dflash on a spark and tgen is way up, but keep the number low, acceptance rate is terrible beyond half a dozen and it requires more memory

It's exciting that the open models continue to get better and more efficient across the board!