Each 2-ounce rollmop contains about a gram or two of creatine, sometimes more. Steak is about a gram per 8 ounces.
If you can afford it, it's way nicer than choking down that powder in water getting all crunchy in your teeth and stuff.
It's decent pre-workout food although not for everyone as mentioned elsewhere in the comments here (Something like 20% of people don't see any workout endurance benefits)
Also search for 'sleep' in this comment section, seems many see similar improvements!
I’ve researched it quite a bit and found that others do experience it as well, but the usual advice of “just drink more water” (which yes, I have tried) is about the extent of info I find on it. Then, the “it causes your body to retain more water” idea which doesn’t seem to be accurate as what I’ve understood is that it causes your muscles to store more water…
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I'll be here all week folks!
The cited paper in Wikipedia might be accurate and the author is just expecting "at rest" to mean awake but mostly idle. I'd wager that during sleep, we use less than 100W. For the sake of argument if you take out 8 hours (asleep time) from a 24 hour period, you end up with a rate of ~0.8681 grams per second, much closer to 1g/s. Anyway, just a little fun with numbers.
Up to 50 Cal extra over ~2 hours of intense thinking IS significant given brains consume 240-400 Cal over 24 hours.
> Start thinking hard, and watch as your heart rate does not increase.
And yet you soon get tired and slow down. Now try the opposite. Stretch or punch the air a few times to get the heart rate going. You'll sustain brain performance for longer. Try it.
Perhaps the problem is that higher brain activity SHOULD trigger heart rate increase, but doesn't due to one of many design defects of the human body.
Is creatine safe to supplement for children?
Well, yes. It is well known that you must eat fish, beef, i.e., animal protein, to get close to optimal levels of creatine.
No noticeable cognitive difference/improvement. And the more I've researched creatine the less convinced I am that there are reliable conclusions about cognitive impacts.
Significant physical changes! But other than the pure aesthetics, it's hard to say that my strength increases are tied to creatine or instead a solid routine, plan, diet, and progressive overload. Probably some all of above.
I also take whey protein isolate (20-25g at least once a day)
The Nootropic space fascinates me. A few observations:
- Not sure if caffeine is considered nootropic. Caffeine definitely makes a difference.
- Unclear if placebo effect or real, L-theanine seems to help with calm and focus.
- Otherwise, when it comes to what I'm sure alters my state/body/etc. - drugs! And I'm not suggesting anything specific but my point is the effects are obvious/real/etc. vs. much of the supplement space that suffers from very murky conclusions (imo).
If I know I'm only going to get a few hours of sleep, I'll take 5–10 g of creatine, drink plenty of water, and go to bed. The next morning, I usually don't wake up with a headache.
If I skip the creatine under the same conditions, I'm much more likely to wake up with a headache after a short night's sleep.
Now it's become a habit, I automatically take creatine whenever I know my sleep duration is going to be much shorter than usual.
> I don’t know. Maybe a little.
is not the right way to interpret the null result (insufficient evidence to reject null hypothesis that it has no effect) because the prior for supplements that people are trying to sell you is so low. In the absence of clear, strong evidence, you should assume the the whole thing is just an example of motivated reasoning. People want nootropics to be real, and other people really want to sell you readily available powders by claiming they have nootropic properties. In that environment, they were always going to trying to concoct a similar narrative about some supplement, and it just happened to be creatine. Those efforts were always going to result in a handful of "positive" studies that turn out to be non-reproducible, maybe because of p-hacking, maybe because of publication bias, maybe because of outright fraud. This is what the literature always looks like for stuff that just doesn't work. If it did work - if the effect size was large enough that you could personally detect it in your own life - then the papers would be trying to put error bars around the effect size, not trying (and failing) to barely distinguish it from a placebo.
“If your experiment needs statistics, you ought to have done a better experiment.” - Ernest Rutherford
They missed a zero behind the comma, didn't they?
this is wrong [0] , it's just hard to measure.
Like being tired, stressed, etc...
It could be underlying genetic predisposition to hair loss, but I do believe the creatine had an accelerating effect. When I stopped taking creatine, the rate of hair loss noticeably slowed down throughout the rest of my 20s.
The vegan/vegetarian is a big spectrum. A vegetarian eating plenty of dairy products and eggs should in theory be much better creatine-equipped than a poor vegan student feeding on noodles and ketchup pastas. A lot of pseudo-meat for vegans are full of processed shit.
Confusion will be even higher if you include fish in the vegetarian diet, which is odd but some people do that.
Could the cognitive effect works in the case of creatine deficiency (vegan) and not in the case a vegetarian (low creatine but not deficient) ?
Why is "gains" spelled this way? I found myself suddenly trusting the whole thing a little less. But maybe I'm missing something. Is this jargon in the body building world or something? Author being cheeky?
if you truly want fuel for the brain nothing beats keto
You also seem to reject the possibility that some things help just a bit. The author has another article in the same vein about "things that can help maybe a bit but the evidence we have doesn't really help detecting small effects" https://dynomight.net/vitamin-d/
The fact that there's a biologically plausible mechanism plus mixed statistical evidence makes "maybe" a perfectly reasonable conclusion.
It safely builds muscle and boosts cognition.
I never ended up doing it because you had to cycle it, and it was just one more thing to track
Is it the same case in 2026? Is there a simple pill I can take?
The one thing this misses is many supplements are tainted, which skews the popular perception of both upsides and risks. This was especially true in the US prior to 2005 or so when prohormones were still legal over the counter. Anything branded that wasn't just pure creatine was extremely likely to actually be a low-dose oral steroid, which really can make you lose hair and will increase strength quite a bit more than any dietary supplement.
This also misses caffeine as the other a-tier supplement that consistently shows strength increases in RCTs, though of course, caffeine is more frought than creatine because you build tolerance and it can disturb sleep.
> Does creatine make you smarter?
> I don’t know. Maybe a little.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/21517-dehydra...
Basically, HN doing HN things - having a good deep think about topics outside their realm of expertise, then debating the minutiae. I'd just rather trust someone who has spent their career researching this stuff, thanks (unless that's what you do - in which case please tell us more).
So this is more like trying to determine whether ginseng is good at keeping away colds or whatever. Maybe it does (actually quickly searching this, it definitely does but let's pretend it's as folksy as it sounds for a minute) but even if it doesn't then it's harmless and has a bunch of other effects, so when one takes it - the whole possible cold prophylaxis can just be seen as an added perk.
According to Reddit, Epsom salt has no effect (doesn’t absorb) - you’re wasting your time by using it. They’ll cite all sorts of real, funded studies that agree and yet always the comment section is filled with anecdotal evidence of the contrary - to which a typical response is “hot water in general is soothing” (ignoring efficacy of magnesium sulfate in ice baths).
I digress - creatine is a similar situation. All this confusion at best. It’s also not unlike the health effects of cannabis just prior to going effectively legal - it either causes or cures cancer, or something? We need more research! That’s the real problem!
Any time you see this sort of narrative it’s corporate politics and influence at play.
By virtue of how hard it is to get any information on creatine, it probably threatens some market or vertical at least (whether or not it “works”). Like A. muscaria mushroom or sassafras, you’ll have to do your own research to really know.
Their conclusion seems like an absolutely fair interpretation of what they saw, and it also strikes me as dangerous -- perhaps more dangerous -- to suggest "writer genuinely believes, or doesn't believe, a thing, but they should say it differently from their own interpretation because..people are dumb?" Something like that.
If it’s really hard to measure because the amount is so small that it requires precise equipment, it’s not significant relative to the rest of the body’s energy expenditure.
BTW, it tends to trash the eGFR test which relies on an unbiased creatinine reading.
So as long as you’re trying things, CBT is the most evidence-based long-term solution for the (very likely) cause of your insomnia.
But they fail to account for ice baths with Epsom.
Similarly you fail to account for anyone who takes creatine with any other food or beverage.
So I don’t love such theories.
> "Single dose creatine improves cognitive performance and induces changes in cerebral high energy phosphates during sleep deprivation"
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-54249-9You need a dose high enough to penetrate the blood-brain barrier, around 0.3g/kg (so ~30g for a 100kg person).
The mouth-tapers aren’t always wrong (though we do always look silly).
Although OP's post says "There is no mechanistic reason to think that would happen." but I don't think that's true. Creatine is known to increase DHT, and higher levels of DHT is linked to hair loss.
Here are the sleep deprivation studies
I've also heard just practicing circular breathing by blowing through a straw into a cup of water can produce the same effect but playing a didge is just so much cooler.
Anecdotal so safe to ignore this… but my hair did thin out but only after I was lazier on my work outs. Stopped taking and hair mostly returned to normal thank God.
More like "probably", "yes", and "probably not."
Perhaps you can say "danger to your hair is rare", but there's very clearly (to me at least) an effect there, and the way it gets hand-waved away is strange to me.
People are throwing away their money
As for pills, yes, there is about every form of creatine supplement now, even chewing gum, but this is just dumb, how much of creatine do you think you can consume this way in a day?
In college Ripped Fuel wasn't banned yet. We would take two, go to the gym for 2 hours, shower, then go out until the sun came up the next day. It's no surprise it was eventually banned. I think some people ended up dying by taking too many.
Creatine works because of buffering ATP and creatine kinase.
A problem though is that 1lb of chicken breast contains about 1.5 grams of creatine.
If a person is already eating a modern high protein diet, they are most likely already getting a decent amount of creatine.
I would imagine a vegetarian taking creatine would get a much better effect.
I think mostly through placebo effect, people buy a supplement to treat condition X and they think it's getting better, so they keep buying.
I mean, just look at the wide variety of homeopathic "cures" that are often so diluted that there might not be any molecules of the active ingredient left. Yet people keep buying it.
So drinking water part is consistent with or without creatine. I do know the creatine takes a while to build up, so i don't know why it works but it does.
>Headache pain often appears along with other signs and symptoms of dehydration, including darker-than-usual pee, dry mouth and fatigue
none of these symptoms are true for me.
No. They're not steroids.
Last I checked, the only study actually focusing on this is n=38, out of Iran, and has heavy conflict of interest issues (funded by the supplement industry).
That's not remotely sufficient to consider this a settled fact.
You can just take 3-5g daily.
Since taking creatine I feel so much more energized. I can make it through the day with just 2 coffees (was previously drinking 5 coffees and an energy drink).
Maybe it's placebo. Maybe it's not. I don't really care. I feel the benefit and I love it.
Meat Is Murder but Fish Is Justifiable Homicide.
I'm sure that the comic wants to be sarcastic but is missing the mark here. This is how science works. Trying and failing every color except green, does not mean that the green experiment has an invalid result.
The author is not understanding that each experiment is independent.
The correct cartoon should show researchers trying green jellybeans 100 times, with 99 negative results and one positive result, and then the press keeping only the positive (Or in this comic, claiming that all jellybeans produce acne).
Mocking the scientific method, and showing scientists as lazy people that play video-games is funny, but is just a cartoon, not the reality. People should not take XKCD as god's speech without any critical thinking. This in your workplace says to me "I don't really understand statistics".
There is an effect that is statistically rare just by chance, AND is consistently absent within a huge control group of "non-green jellybeans" (the author seems to think that this weakens the result, but in fact is reinforcing it). And it needs further research. Not less, not more.
Is discussing such secondary but still highly relevant aspects verboten? Must every comment here be by a lead researcher in the specific field? Would a biomedical science researcher necessarily have any more expertise on these important secondary aspects?
"Trust me, I'm a scientitian". No thanks.
“There's a sucker born every minute.”
So no, you should not take something merely because it's "probably harmless".
How old are you?
Also, working out helps reduce stress. Does it seem more plausible that getting lazier on your workouts, rather than the creatine, increased stress in your life, thus the hair thinning?
I have never heard of creatine causing thinning hair.
But sure, keep believing they are on your side.
It doesn't make you a genius. I think a better view on it is that it may mitigate some of the adhs symptoms (at least for me).
I can keep on track for a significantly longer time since ive started supplementing with it at ~15g/day - and while i dont feel a difference, i can observe it when actually paying attention to what i do / how often i drift off etc.
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Is creatine a weird steroid-like hormone or drug?
No. Creatine is a nutrient. Most omnivores eat a gram or two per day from meat. Your body also synthesizes a gram or two per day. You need creatine to deliver energy inside of cells. It is normal and non-weird.
Does creatine increase testosterone?
Unlikely. This concern comes from one study in 2009 on 16 male rugby players.1 But that study is considered extremely suspect. There have been at least twelve other studies that all found no change or physiologically irrelevant changes. Beyond that, it’s implausible that creatine would increase testosterone, because we know what creatine does and it has nothing to do with hormones.
Does creatine make you go bald?
No. Or, rather:
These rumors all trace back to speculation built on top of that same single 2009 study. But that study is contradicted by later research, and anyway didn’t measure hair. Anything is possible, but as far as I can tell, it’s equally plausible that creatine would increase hair growth. And if you’re really worried about this: Are you going to stop eating meat?
Is creatine safe?
Probably. The International Society of Sports Nutrition says:
Available short and long-term studies in healthy and diseased populations, from infants to the elderly, at dosages ranging from 0.3 to 0.8 g/kg/day for up to 5 years have consistently shown that creatine supplementation poses no adverse health risks and may provide a number of health and performance benefits.
It’s been studied extensively, and no risks have been found. The way it works doesn’t suggest any risks. And supplementing a few grams per day doesn’t put you far outside the range that people get from normal food.
Does creatine make you stronger?
Yes. It’s very rare for a supplement to have such strong and consistent evidence. A widely-cited review says that short-term supplementation increases maximal power/strength by 5-15%. This in turn may increase the long-term gainz from strength-training exercise. Creatine also increases sprint performance by 1-5%. Though, there seems to be little if any benefit for endurance exercise like long-distance running.
But how does creatine make you stronger?
Before answering that, can I go on a rant about how muscles work?
…OK?
Great! Here’s how muscles work:
Now, here’s something that’s crucial for our story: Very little energy is stored as ATP. Your body contains ~100 grams of ATP, representing ~10,000 joules of energy.2 But your body at rest burns ~100 watts. So you only store enough ATP to keep yourself alive for ~100 seconds. If you sprint, you could easily burn ~3000 watts, which would use all your stored ATP in ~3 seconds.
Through the magic of eating, you’re always making more ATP. Typically, your mitochondria recycle ~1 gram of ADP back into ATP per second, the same amount you need to stay alive.3 If you start running, your body can ramp that up to ~10 grams per second, though tricks like breathing faster and speeding up your heart.4 But it takes a minute or two for your mitochondria to really get cranking.5
So then why am I able to sprint for longer than three seconds?
Because creatine acts as an additional energy reservoir, coupled to the ATP reservoir. After you eat or synthesize creatine, 60% is converted into _phospho_creatine. This is done by an enzyme that grabs a creatine molecule and an ATP molecule and moves a phosphate group between them. This “charges” the creatine into phosphocreatine and “discharges” the ATP into ADP.6
But if your ATP levels drop—e.g. because you’re running away from a tiger—those enzymes will run in reverse, meaning they “discharge” phosphocreatine into creatine and “charge” ADP back into ATP. This happens almost instantly, so that ATP and phosphocreatine deplete at the same rate.7
At rest, your muscles contain around 3-4 times as much phosphocreatine as ATP. So the “extra” energy storage in phosphocreatine is much larger than the “base” storage in ATP itself. That’s why you can sprint for ten seconds rather than just three seconds.
Does supplementing creatine increase creatine levels in muscle cells?
Yes. Typical levels are:
So, everything seems to add up. If you supplement creatine, you increase your levels by ~16.67%, implying ~12.5% more total short-term energy storage.8 That’s in line with the 5-15% increase in strength seen in creatine trials.9 It also seems to make sense that creatine trials find little benefit for endurance exercise. If you don’t have sudden bursts of activity, a larger short-term energy reservoir won’t really help you.
But isn’t this all very strange?
Well, I find it strange. All else equal, more strength is good. The body already knows how to make creatine. If you can just raise creatine levels and get more strength with no downsides, then shouldn’t evolution have done this already? Some variant of the Algernon argument would suggest that the fact that creatine works so well should be impossible.
You might think that higher creatine levels are bad somehow, and that’s why evolution didn’t make them higher. But that seems wrong. Creatine levels vary naturally based on what you eat. If higher levels were bad, evolution could have brought them down. But it doesn’t. It just lets them vary.
Often, evolution makes us “worse” to reduce our energy expenditures, because evolution hates it when we starve to death.10 But the body only spends 1-2 calories per day synthesizing creatine, and more creatine in muscle cells doesn’t have any significant metabolic cost.
I think the boring explanation is that for our evolutionary ancestors, modest increases in short-term strength just weren’t a big deal. We were exhaustion hunters, not 1-rep max deadlift hunters.11 Also, more creatine causes your muscle cells to draw in some extra water, which slightly increases energy usage for long-distance running.12 So, if you happened to get extra creatine from meat, great. If not, whatever. In the range where creatine fluctuates based on diet, I suspect creatine levels just didn’t have much impact on reproductive success.
Still, we must acknowledge that creatine is unusual. I wish we could tell our bodies, “Hey, we have access to unlimited amounts of food. Stop worrying about conserving energy and concentrate on being awesome.” But we have very few ways to do that. As far as I can tell, the list of normal nutrients that have been proven to increase strength is: protein, creatine, beta-alanine, the end.
So creatine is special. And creatine makes you a little stronger. Does it make you a little smarter, too?
Is creatine used by the brain?
Yes. Most parts of the body don’t contain significant creatine. But the brain does, along with muscles, the heart, and testes. Neurons use it to play the same game muscles do with ATP and phosphate groups and so on.
How much creatine is in the brain?
Maybe half as much as in muscle. The number of interest here is the ratio of phosphocreatine to ATP, indicating how much phosphocreatine increases local energy storage. We saw above that in muscle, that ratio is 3 to 4. In the brain, the numbers are a little sketchy, but the ratio seems to be more like 1.5 to 2.13
But why? Why would the brain use creatine?
Good question! The brain doesn’t have bursts of energy usage like muscles do. Yes, the brain uses ~20% of all calories despite only making up ~2% of body mass. But the brain is unusual in that it needs all that energy just for basic housekeeping, and doesn’t ramp up with usage. Contrary to the common myth, thinking hard does not burn significantly more calories. (Demonstration: Start thinking hard, and watch as your heart rate does not increase.)
So muscles use creatine for sprints. But the brain doesn’t have sprints. So what the hell is the brain using creatine for?
The most common theory seems to go like this: Actually, muscles don’t just use creatine as an extra energy reservoir. They also use it to deliver energy inside of cells. You see, creatine diffuses faster than ATP inside of cells. So even with endurance exercise, creatine is still being used: Enzymes near the mitochondria use ATP to “charge” creatine into phosphocreatine and enzymes near myosin use that phosphocreatine to “recharge” ADP back into ATP. Even though the net change in creatine is zero, it helps “shuttle” energy from the mitochondria to the myosin.
Under this theory, what neurons and muscle cells share is that parts of the cell locally use a lot of energy, when they get triggered. So even though your brain doesn’t “sprint”, it still uses creatine to avoid local energy deficits.
There’s also experimental evidence that creatine is important for the brain. We’ve created genetically altered mice with brains that lack the enzymes needed to convert creatine to and from phosphocreatine. They display severely limited spatial learning and somewhat smaller brains.
Some humans also naturally have creatine deficiency. In some variants, people have trouble synthesizing creatine. This leads to lower levels throughout the body, including skeletal muscle where 95% of creatine lives. Nevertheless, the primary symptom is related to the brain, namely intellectual disability. Muscle weakness and seizures are also common. Other people have creatine transporter deficiency, meaning creatine can’t cross the blood-brain barrier. This leads to lower levels in the brain only. This leads again to intellectual disability and also often muscle weakness or seizures. (That muscle weakness is despite the fact that the muscle cells themselves have normal creatine levels.)14
So somehow, creatine is very important for the brain.
Does supplementing creatine increase creatine levels in the brain?
Probably, though likely less than in muscle.
Creatine can definitely cross the blood-brain barrier. However, the protein that helps it cross is not abundant, and there are some suggestions that it’s down-regulated with prolonged creatine consumption. The brain itself can synthesize some creatine, and this too might be down-regulated by prolonged consumption.
Of course, you can just give people creatine and see what happens to their brains. There have been around a dozen such studies. Most report increases between 3% and 10%, although a few report no change. However, because brains are hard to access, these studies rely on magnetic resonance spectroscopy, and some suggest that these measurements are unreliable.
In people who can’t synthesize creatine, oral supplementation seems to normalize levels in the brain. (Some cognitive impairment usually remains. One patient was diagnosed and began supplementing at three weeks of age and had no intellectual disability.) So supplementing can increase brain levels in some circumstances.
My best guess is that supplementing does usually increase levels in the brain, and that an increase of 3% to 10% is plausible. But the evidence isn’t particularly strong.
Why did people get interested in creatine having cognitive benefits?
Because of Rae et al. (2003). They took a group of 45 healthy vegetarian or vegan university students in Australia. They did a cross-over trial where half of people got 5 grams of creatine per day for six weeks, followed by a six-week wash-out period, followed by the other half of people getting creatine. Their results were amazing, with huge improvements on Raven’s matrices (RAPM) and backward digit span (BDS):

In their analysis, creatine increased BDS by 1.19 standard deviations, and RAPM by 1.76 standard deviations. If we convert those numbers to IQ points (where 1 standard deviation ←> 15 IQ points), that would mean increases of 17.85 and 26.4 IQ points, respectively. In both cases, the results were highly significant (p < 0.0001).
Does that replicate?
No. Following that paper various groups tried similar experiments but no one found such a large or statistically significant effect. After twenty years of inconclusive results, Sandkühler et al. (2023) set out to give a definitive reproduction. In my view, this is the highest-quality RCT ever done on the cognitive benefits of creatine.15 They largely borrowed the experimental design of Rae et al., although they did the experiment in Germany, used a larger sample of 123 people, used half non-vegetarians, and they dropped the wash-out period. Here are their main results:

(T1 shows test results at baseline. T2 shows results after six weeks of creatine or placebo. T3 shows the results after another six weeks, where the placebo group crossed over to creatine and vise versa.)
Overall, everyone got better over time, probably from practice. On backwards digit span, during the first six weeks, the group getting placebo actually improved slightly faster than the group getting creatine. But when those groups switched between getting placebo and creatine, that (formerly placebo, now creatine) group improved even faster. Just staring at the graph, this suggests some benefit. On Raven’s matrices, the same thing happened, but with a greatly reduced magnitude.
They fit a statistical model and report an effect size of 0.17 standard deviations for backwards digit span (2.5 IQ points, not quite statistically significant) and 0.09 standard deviations for Raven’s matrices (1 IQ point, not even close to significant). They found no extra benefit for vegetarians, not even a non-significant benefit.
As far as I can tell, this discrepancy has never been convincingly explained. Rae et al.’s 2003 experiment seems well done. The results are too large to be explained by p-hacking and too statistically significant to be explained by random noise. Maybe for some reason, Rae et al.’s cohort had lower baseline creatine levels? It’s very odd. But history suggests that when an exciting result is followed by a disappointing replication, we should bet on the disappointing replication.
What about all the other RCTs? Doesn’t this call for a meta-analysis?
In principle, yes. The trouble is, most of the studies don’t report the numbers needed for a good meta-analysis. They do some experiment giving creatine to half of people and placebo to the other half, and measure how those groups do on some cognitive test. Then they fit some statistical model and report p-values or whatever. But they never actually publish the raw means and standard deviations.16
Fortunately for us, Xu et al. (2024) contacted the authors for all those trials and got their raw data. According to their meta-analysis, creatine had the following effects.
| Domain | Effect size (standard deviations) |
|---|---|
| Overall cognitive function | +0.34 |
| Executive function | +0.32 |
| Attention | +0.22 |
| Memory | +0.31 |
| Processing speed | +0.01 |
Unfortunately for us, that paper is bad. They claim that several of these results are statistically significant, but a 2026 commentary points out that they made an error that amounts to double-counting the same data for several studies.17 For that reason, I haven’t shown their (incorrect) confidence intervals. If computed correctly, I suspect none of the results would be statistically significant. Technically, the above point estimates are also wrong, although the error shouldn’t systematically bias them in either direction.
In general, I have to tell you that I really don’t trust this paper. It’s very sloppy with tons of missing details. But as far as I can tell, no one else has ever assembled the data needed to do a good meta-analysis. So I think those numbers are the best summary we have.
So who can we trust?
I’ll tell you who I trust: The European Food and Safety Authority (EFSA). In 2024, a firm selling creatine applied to the EU to be allowed to advertise cognitive benefits. This led the EFSA to publish Creatine and improvement in cognitive function: Evaluation of a health claim pursuant to article 13(5) of regulation (EC) No 1924/2006.
Here’s what they have to say (I’ve cut references for readability):
The Panel considers that, overall, the 10 human intervention studies […] do not show a consistent effect of creatine supplementation on cognitive function. The Panel notes that the acute effect of creatine on working memory reported in some studies […] was not observed at lower creatine doses […] or with continuous consumption of creatine. The Panel also notes that the effect of creatine […] reported in one study is an isolated finding across the body of evidence, where no effect of creatine supplementation was observed on other cognitive domains, including different facets of memory (episodic, short‐term, visual), verbal fluency, attention, alertness, processing speed, psychomotor speed, executive function and general cognitive ability/flexibility and fluid intelligence. Finally, the Panel notes that the three intervention studies conducted in diseased individuals do not support an effect of creatine supplementation on cognition.
I think we should consider this definitive. I’d go so far as to say this document probably represents the greatest effort our civilization has ever made to understand if creatine has cognitive benefits.
But we need to remember the ESFA’s role. They’re asking if creatine has been proven to have cognitive benefits, because they’re deciding if it should be legal to advertise cognitive benefits. They say no and I believe them. But that doesn’t mean there are no cognitive benefits.
Are there other reviews of the RCTs?
Yes. Here are all the recent reviews I could find, with a few representative quotes from each:
| Review | Quotes |
|---|---|
| Avgerinos et al. (2018) | “There was evidence short term memory and intelligence/reasoning may be improved by creatine administration.” |
| “Performance on cognitive tasks stayed unchanged in young individuals.” |
“Vegetarians responded better than meat-eaters in memory tasks”
| | Dolan et al. (2019) | “the blood–brain barrier is an obstacle for circulating creatine”
“may improve the performance in some cognitive tasks, particularly in stressful conditions (e.g. mental fatigue, exhaustive exercise).”
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| Roschel et al. (2021) | “potential for creatine supplementation to improve cognitive
processing, especially in conditions characterized by brain creatine deficits”
“supplementation studies concomitantly assessing brain creatine levels and cognitive function are needed”
| | Prokopidis et al. (2023) | “After correction, our overall analysis showed that creatine monohydrate does not improve overall memory performance (standardized mean difference 0.19; 95% confidence interval, –0.07, 0.46)” | | Xu et al. (2024) | “Creatine supplementation showed significant positive effects on memory and attention time, as well as significantly improving processing speed time. However, no significant improvements were found on overall cognitive function or executive function.” | | McMorris et al. (2024) | “Creatine supplementation has no significant effect on young healthy participants in unstressed situations. Moreover, the review show mixed results for stressed groups.”
“Vegans do not intake sufficient […] creatine to ensure the levels necessary for maintaining optimal cognitive output.”
“Closer examination of [the evidence] suggests that there may be more positive outcomes of supplementation than the research so far provides.”
| | UK NHCC (2024) | “A cause-and-effect relationship has not been established between the consumption of ≤3g per day creatine and improved cognitive function.” |
On average, the RCTs do find a small positive effect, just not a statistically significant positive effect. As I so often point out, that’s exactly what we would expect if the true effect were positive but small. But it’s also entirely possible that this is due to random chance or p-hacking or publication bias. Gwern contacted one author and found that publication bias did in fact occur.
Overall, I think the RCTs provide very weak evidence in favor of a small benefit for healthy adults. (Perhaps 0.1 to 0.3 standard deviations, depending on the measure.) I also think they provide moderate evidence against a larger effect for healthy adults (above, say, 0.5 standard deviations) and weak evidence for a small benefit for adults that are “stressed” in some way that might diminish creatine, such as being older, vegan, or physically exhausted.
Can you summarize the evidence in favor of creatine making you smarter?
I would love to do that:
Can you summarize the evidence against creatine making you smarter?
Yes:
Does creatine make you smarter?
I don’t know. Maybe a little.
You could make an argument like this: Creatine is crucial for the brain (somehow) so it’s safest to keep levels high, just in case. But I’m not sure I buy that. Creatine is crucial for the brain but there are several hints that evolution knows that, and so regulates levels in the brain more tightly than in muscles.
I might buy that argument for vegetarians or vegans. But there is scant experimental evidence for extra cognitive benefits in those groups, and even some evidence that vegetarians may not have much lower brain creatine levels, despite vastly lower consumption.
And if creatine is helpful, the likely benefit is probably quite small. Say you think there’s a 50% chance creatine increases IQ by 1 point and a 50% chance it’s useless. Is it actually worth the trouble of taking 5 grams of creatine every day for an expected increase of 0.5 IQ points? I’m not sure.
Technically, they found an increase in dihydrotestosterone (DHT) but not testosterone. ↩
Conveniently, in typical cellular conditions, the body can extract around 100 J of energy from 1 gram of ATP. So we can convert 1 gram ≈ 100 J and 1 gram per second ≈ 100 J / second. You may recall from high school that a watt is defined as 1 watt = Joule per second. ↩
Wikipedia quotes a paper saying people make / recycle around 50 kilograms per day. That would imply that people make around 0.5787 grams per second. But this is in tension with the idea that people use 100 watts at rest. Since that 100 watt number seems to be more strongly established, I think 1 gram per second is a better estimate. ↩
Why do you breathe? You breathe because your mitochondria need oxygen to make ATP. When you exercise, you breathe faster so that your mitochondria can make more ATP. You can actually calculate how much ATP your mitochondria make using your VO₂ max score: For each liter of oxygen you use, you make ~21,000 joules of energy, corresponding to ~210 grams of ATP. If you have a typical VO₂ max score of 40 mL/kg/min and you weigh 70 kg, that means you are using 2.8 liters of oxygen per minute, which corresponds to ~588 grams of ATP per minute or ~9.8 grams per second. ↩
A Tour de France cyclist might burn 1500 or even 2000 watts for hours, meaning they are producing ~20 grams of ATP. They can do this because they’ve trained their bodies to have more mitochondria and better oxygen delivery to those mitochondria. But it takes a few seconds for the body to ramp up and start producing this much power. ↩
The “T” in “ATP” is for “triple”, meaning there are three phosphate groups. The “D” is for “di”, meaning there are two phosphate groups. ↩
There’s also stored energy in the form of glycogen. This takes a few seconds to come online, and lasts a few minutes. In a sprint, you aren’t limited by glycogen stores running out, but by having too much acid buildup.
So, effectively, the body has five levels of cached energy:
It’s 12.5% rather than 16.67% because your short-term energy storage is ~75% phosphocreatine and ~25% ATP, and supplementing creatine does not increase ATP. ↩
I’m not sure to what degree this math actually explains why we see a 5-15% increase in strength in creatine studies versus just being a coincidence. It’s a jump from “X% more short-term energy storage” to “X% increase in max bench press”. ↩
Compared to our evolutionary ancestors, we have long helpless childhoods, low muscle mass, and smaller brains. ↩
I do wonder about this given how many people died violent deaths in non-state societies. But how often would 10% more strength tip the outcome? ↩
I find it amusing that lots of sources refer to extra water retention as a “common side effect” and even report statistics, when a far as I can tell it’s essentially guaranteed by physics. ↩
Tsuji et al. report a phosphocreatine to ATP ratio of 0.77 in grey matter and 2.18 in white matter, Lu et al. reports ~1.45 in entire brains, and Hetherington et al. report 1.0 in white matter, 1.6 in gray matter, and 2.1 in the cerebellum. ↩
Difficulty synthesizing creatine is treated by supplementing creatine. Creatine transporter defect currently has no effective treatment. ↩
After writing this sentence, I later noticed that this experiment had apparently been funded by the Effective Altruism Foundation, Effective Ventures, and personally by (well-known AI alignment researcher) Paul Christiano. ↩
I know this sounds odd, but it’s very common. Everyone wants to establish truth, not just create data so someone else can establish truth. It’s hard to blame them, given their incentives. ↩
Another 2022 meta-analysis by Prokopidis et al. found similar results but apparently has a similar problem. Prokopidis et al. deserve credit for acknowledging the issue and issuing a correction. However, Prokopidis et al. only look at memory, and they seem to be working with before-after scores on the same people, rather than comparisons between the placebo and creatine groups. ↩
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Creatine is not an anabolic steroid and does not increase testosterone levels, according to Harvard Health, so while there was 1 suspicious study that claimed that creatine increased DHT, that study has afterwards not been able to be replicated, and since creatine does not manipulate hormones but rather energy instead, it seems to as closes a possible to being a settled fact sans the final nail in the coffin.
It was always start by 'loading' and then cruise at 5g. Of course GNC was filled with sugar filled "delivery" products like Celltech that claimed to forego any need for 'loading'.
It'll be people arguing about exact language not being someone's preferred level, or overloading the importance and exact definition of a technical term that experts don't really care about, or blowing up some edge case or another.
At a certain point I was wondering if it was just placebo, stopped taking it for a month or so, and was quickly back to feeling tired after training. Started taking it again, back to feeling energized. It really does work.
You could have skipped the wall of text. They didn’t find a link. They found a random correlation.
The scientists here essentially engaged in P-hacking: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_dredging
Munroe didn’t misunderstand the independence of the experiments at all. He understands that misleading spurious results can arise from repeated experiments.
> And it needs further research. Not less, not more.
No it doesn’t. At least not anymore than the other colors. A positive result is no more deserving of further investigation than a negative result. What you are describing is bad science.
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You and I should not. But I'm also not going to bother correcting someneone taking homeopathy for a cold. It doesn't do anything. But unless it contains heavy metals, it also isn't hurting.
When I found ivermectin in my father's fridge, on the other hand, I absolutely asked him what he was taking it for. When I confirmed he's also taking real medicine, I dropped it provided he told his doctor in case there are drug interactions. (There aren't. Ivermectin is pretty safe. That's why the nutters congregate around it.)
That might be relatively likely.
But to be more specific:
* Protein supplements make it easier for your body to get the protein required for whatever demand you're putting on it. You need higher protein intake to growth than to sustain muscle. If you were on protein supplementation during a growth phase, and then transitioned to a maintain, and stopped supplementing, while making sure your actual diet was sufficient, then you could in principle maintain your muscle mass with no problem. The extrapolation of this is that in principle, you could always replace protein supplements with "real food", regardless of phase and get pretty much the same benefits. There may be lifestyle/ease/cost tradeoffs.
* Creatine supplementation helps your body get "a little extra" work done. The direct boost that creatine grants you is real, but also like... small. I think it's often visualized as "it helps you get that one extra rep/half rep". Where creatine pays off is that by sustainably helping you get that one extra rep, it helps create greater demand on your body over time, therefore promoting more growth. If you stopped creatine supplementation, you would probably lose that "extra rep", but all the extra growth that you got would be locked in.
* Caffeine... well, that's far more psychological. Leaving the world of sports, as a knowledge worker, I've committed myself to my addiction. The withdrawal is real, and even if I worked through the headache, I definitely do not feel as sharp.
There's also no shortage of expensive water bottles being sold, and smart water bottles that track your drinking frequencies and flavor pods sold via subscription.
What they “doubt” is that it can be absorbed through the skin.
But anyone who takes magnesium tablets can tell you the effect is the same.
And it is studied btw - problem is there are countless on both sides.
That's why I dropped creatine since I didn't notice any benefits when I tried it for a year.
"Other studies already proved those effects with creatine with a normal dose schedule, what they were testing is if a single high dose would have a beneficial effect too, which it did. A normal schedule is 3-5g per day with an optional loading phase of 10-20g per day during 7 days.
In the study they used a single dose of 0.35g/kg which means 20-40g per dose. How do they not get diarrhea? The loading phase is usually split into several doses to avoid diarrhea and I can personally attest to that being a good idea."
What the above doesn't tell you is that taking a loading dose can draw water into your intestines causing diarrhea. You probably can guess how I found this out.
I drink lots of water. Lots and lots, to the point that it’s already kind of annoying how frequently I have to piss. I’m fairly skeptical that drinking yet more would yield any benefits.
But speaking of creatine itself, while not inherently toxic, consuming large doses can cause serious indirect harms, such as triggering falsely elevated kidney markers on blood tests that lead doctors to misdiagnose organ failure, unnecessarily cancel crucial medical treatments, or order invasive biopsies. Furthermore, overloading the body with creatine while taking kidney-stressing medications (like heavy doses of ibuprofen) or having an undetected renal condition can cause actual acute kidney strain, while the massive shift of water into muscle cells can trigger severe dehydration, heat exhaustion, and electrolyte imbalances during intense heat or exercise if fluid intake falls behind.
But, I don't want to belabour the point about creatine. Rather, I want to focus on the negatives stemming from NOT doing other things that ARE proven to be safe and effective. People tend to think creatine will solve a lot of their problems (for instance, they may believe it will fix their feeling of being "low energy). But by avoiding things that might actually help their problem get better, they're persisting a poor state of health.
Yes. It’s very rare for a supplement to have such strong and consistent evidence.
A widely-cited review says that short-term supplementation increases maximal power/strength by 5-15%. This in turn may increase the long-term gainz from strength-training exercise. Creatine also increases sprint performance by 1-5%. Though, there seems to be little if any benefit for endurance exercise like long-distance running.
It’s just resurfacing as a general health fad/marketing campaign.
Who disputed this?
> What they “doubt” is that it can be absorbed through the skin
The science is helpful. Magnesium sulfate is absorbed less effectively than magnesium chloride. Of course, you're not eating the amount of Epsom salts one dumps in a bath.
> And it is studied btw - problem is there are countless on both sides
This is why meta analysis exists.
That said it's obviously the right decision to drop it if you're not seeing any effects. The interesting thing about creatine is that people's bodies are very different in their natural levels of creatine, and if you're already at 'saturation' then more creatine isn't going to do anything. Same reason the typical benefits of creatine don't show much difference beyond 5g/day. That's enough to send the overwhelming majority of people towards 'saturation.'
> That's why I dropped creatine since I didn't notice any benefits when I tried it for a year.
Some percentage of people (~20%) are creatine non-responders [1]. It's pretty reasonable to try creatine and then drop it if you find no benefit. I personally find the gain very marginal.
$50 for flavoured salt is pure insanity.
Like many hippie health trends that then go mainstream, a lot of it seems to filter in from Rastafarian traditions, where in the Ital diet they believe that alkaline water coming from the Blue Mountains in Jamaica (and other natural springs there which are naturally alkaline) help detoxify the acids in the body.
My level at tennis dropped too, but bicycle endurance remained the same.
I stopped because of high blood creatinine, and wanted to see what baseline was
If you can say "Oh yea that makes sense" with the same set of knowledge you had both before and after some event happens, all else being equal, you have an expectation. That is enough for placebo.
You have to have literally 0 knowledge about an event to rule out placebo.